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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:41 PM Jul 2017

No President Has Been Removed Through Impeachment.

No President has ever pardoned himself, either.

Both things are distinctive for never having occurred. They're unknown territory, really. So, it's difficult to discuss them with any certainty about what either would mean with regard to Trump.

Resignation, followed by a pardon by the successor, however, has happened. Personally, I believe that the only way, short of Trump dying while in office, that he will leave office before his term is complete will be if he resigns.

Trump is a serial quitter. When his businesses have gone south, he declares bankruptcy and walks away. To get him to resign, we have to make him so uncomfortable and impotent as President that he does the equivalent thing and simply walks away from the job. That, I believe, should be the primary focus. Keep the pressure on him. Keep Congress from succeeding with repealing ACA and passing a budget bill that includes all the elements they want. Keep frustrating Trump in every possible way.

Make him powerless and he will quit. I think that is the only approach that is going to work, unless his health forces him to resign or he dies while in office.

We have 2018 and 2020 to rebuild our strength in Congress and to finally elect a solid Democratic candidate for President. I believe that is where our focus should be in the meantime, as we watch the destruction of the Trump presidency.

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No President Has Been Removed Through Impeachment. (Original Post) MineralMan Jul 2017 OP
I feel like his presidency will be the end of the US as we know it kimbutgar Jul 2017 #1
I don't think so, actually. MineralMan Jul 2017 #2
I am really nervous about whether we will ever have free elections again kimbutgar Jul 2017 #3
What happened in Georgia was that 40% of registered MineralMan Jul 2017 #5
I've got to ask this.. defacto7 Jul 2017 #10
Most of those who didn't vote just didn't vote. MineralMan Jul 2017 #13
So, lack of interest? I left that one out. defacto7 Jul 2017 #16
Lack of interest, hopelessness, ennui, and other things. MineralMan Jul 2017 #17
I'm worried Trump fans would form an army if anything happens. Initech Jul 2017 #11
Buck up, kim, its always looks darkest just before the dawn. Nitram Jul 2017 #6
Thank you there are days it feels so dark kimbutgar Jul 2017 #18
I agree. But we felt the same during Nixon, then Reagan and then Bush. Nitram Jul 2017 #22
I agree. He will resign rather than sit though impeachment. If it comes to that. Nitram Jul 2017 #4
Resignation gives him a propaganda advantage defacto7 Jul 2017 #15
It is also the pattern Trump has followed all his life. Nitram Jul 2017 #21
He will resign, and Prez Pence will pardon him. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2017 #7
"No President Has Been Removed Through Impeachment." awesomerwb1 Jul 2017 #8
Yes, I know that. MineralMan Jul 2017 #14
There is always a first time Gothmog Jul 2017 #9
Or a Fifth Doug the Dem Jul 2017 #19
"Major medical event", resignation for the good of the country followed by pardon grantcart Jul 2017 #12
There IS a first time for everything meow2u3 Jul 2017 #20
Can't both things be pursued? Grammy23 Jul 2017 #23

kimbutgar

(21,161 posts)
1. I feel like his presidency will be the end of the US as we know it
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:47 PM
Jul 2017

And our country is going to break up and the constitution dissolved. A neo civil war without shots fired. Those 62 million cult members are still standing by their man and they have their alt media to back them up. Even if they have a recording of chump telling putin to hack and fix the election in his favor the cult members will not believe it.

Those of us 65+million of us are losing patience as each day the insanity unfolds from this presidency. Something is going to crack and break the dam.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. I don't think so, actually.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:51 PM
Jul 2017

Trump has been pretty successfully blocked from his goals so far. Congress seems to be pretty deadlocked in accomplishing its goals, as well. I think we're in for a tough time, but I don't see it as dismally as you do. If we manage to elect majorities in Congress in 2018, Democrats will be able to block Trump completely, really.

The people and their votes are the final check on the government becoming all-powerful and tyrannical. We need to turn out every last Democratic voter in 2018 and 2020. That's the work we have to accomplish. We need to overwhelm the attempts to silence the people's voices. We can do that. But, we must focus our attention on that goal.

We must not be distracted from the job that needs to be done.

kimbutgar

(21,161 posts)
3. I am really nervous about whether we will ever have free elections again
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:55 PM
Jul 2017

What happened in Georgia for instance, unverifiable easily hackable voting machines, voter suppression, and votes not being counted. The GOP has perfected the way to manipulate the votes in their favor. I am still highly suspious of the 2016 vote and fear 2018 will be even worst.

But I really hope I am wrong. I would love to be wrong.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. What happened in Georgia was that 40% of registered
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:57 PM
Jul 2017

Democratic voters in that district did not come out and vote. That was what happened. Had they voted, the result would have been different, despite any machinations to control it. That is what we need to accomplish - getting the non-voters to the polling places.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
10. I've got to ask this..
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:38 PM
Jul 2017

Do you think voter suppression was strong enough to cause 40% of reg. Dems to not to vote or is it mostly the lazy effect? Voter suppression is becoming wide spread and subtle these days. It's hard to know if people choose not to vote because of fear, work, or credential issus rather than just lazyness. We have to consider all possibilities.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
13. Most of those who didn't vote just didn't vote.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:41 PM
Jul 2017

That happens all the time. We need to fix that. We really do. That will be the answer.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
17. Lack of interest, hopelessness, ennui, and other things.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:02 PM
Jul 2017

The reasons for not voting are random in nature. The result, though, is always the same.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
11. I'm worried Trump fans would form an army if anything happens.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:38 PM
Jul 2017

Their hatred for anyone with a differing opinion is that strong, and they are that stupid. Remember last year when the useful idiots brought their precious killing machines to the voting booths because they were worried about voter fraud? Picture that, but 1,000 times worse.

Nitram

(22,813 posts)
6. Buck up, kim, its always looks darkest just before the dawn.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:58 PM
Jul 2017

We are not a helpless nation nor a helpless electorate.

kimbutgar

(21,161 posts)
18. Thank you there are days it feels so dark
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 02:38 PM
Jul 2017

I can't believe our country elected this evil lying a$$hole into office. And they are choosing party over country.

Nitram

(22,813 posts)
22. I agree. But we felt the same during Nixon, then Reagan and then Bush.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 10:39 AM
Jul 2017

Each time it felt like it would never end. Just look around at all the resistance from good people. That's why Trump will nor win.

Nitram

(22,813 posts)
4. I agree. He will resign rather than sit though impeachment. If it comes to that.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 12:57 PM
Jul 2017

With this Congress, however, impeachment is unlikely. Let's see what happens next year.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
15. Resignation gives him a propaganda advantage
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:45 PM
Jul 2017

over impeachment. He's in control and his base will be more intact. Impeachment is loss of control and could splinter his base. He wants the control and the pulpit more than the little mobs pity would produce.

Nitram

(22,813 posts)
21. It is also the pattern Trump has followed all his life.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 10:35 AM
Jul 2017

Create a mess and walk away for his loyal partners to clean up.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
8. "No President Has Been Removed Through Impeachment."
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 01:23 PM
Jul 2017

Impeachment does not remove.

Congress impeaches, Senate convicts = removal.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
23. Can't both things be pursued?
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 11:52 AM
Jul 2017

Work to make sure we get enough Dems in office to stymie trump's efforts to destroy our current governing bodies. AND continue to work on ways to get him out sooner rather than later. Even if Pence pardons his sorry ass for Federal crimes, there are still state matters in play. The longer this awful man is in office, the more damage he can do. Even if his worst impact is voter apathy, a sense of hopelessness and throwing up our hands in despair, that means he still has won. If he has citizens so demoralized that they can't or won't vote, we will truly have lost.

So I think we need to work really hard to convince people they do still have a voice and that voting matters. We also have to be triple diligent to ensure our votes are counted accurately so people don't allow their doubts about counting the votes accurately dissuade them from voting.

There are LOTS of us who want to stop tRump and bring the long arm of the law down on him and anyone else involved in his crimes. Give people a task and they will do it. Look how many people showed up in DC the day after the inauguration to protest and demonstrate. So give people a job and they will do it. Outvote him or dump him unceremoniously from office. We're up for both paths.

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