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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:05 PM Jul 2017

The Crisis Is Upon Us - Josh Marshall

By JOSH MARSHALL Published JULY 22, 2017 11:43 AM

I want to clarify and expand on something I noted yesterday. The President stands accused, now with a mounting of evidence, of conspiring with a hostile foreign power to win the Presidency. He has now made clear that he will not permit any investigation of those accusations.

That may sound on first blush like an extreme formulation. But I think it is incontrovertible. This is not some investigation that has dragged on for years and, either by a strong or a weak argument, is claimed to have crossed some basic lines of fairness or equity. It has actually only just begun. It is just getting started, only just out of the gate. It is led by a man who is at least within the American political class universally well-regarded for his probity and professionalism. He is also a man who is, to the extent these things are relevant, a Republican. The only basis for threatening to shut down such an investigation is the contention that no actual investigation can be permitted. I defy anyone to find a path out of that logic.

I posted this earlier this morning. The text I reference is from Mike Allen’s morning newsletter in Axios.




As is so often the case, the reporting is both a symptom of the broader crisis and also a genuine service. We learn critical new facts, by dint of reporting skills and access. But they are presented in the nonsensical play-by-play speak of the access class. Note the reference to “Bob Mueller signaling that he plans an expansive, exhaustive investigation aimed at Trump, his relatives, and current and former political lieutenants.” This is presented as an escalation when in fact it is simply a statement of the nature of the investigation itself.

Mueller is investigating Russia’s intervention in the 2016 election and whether the Trump campaign colluded or conspired or assisted in that effort. That is the charge and that inevitably requires looking at everyone involved in the Trump campaign (candidate, family, political lieutenants) and their finances, since finances would be the seedbed and playing field on which collusive bargains and deals would take place. This is elementary. The reporting itself is playing into the Trump legal team’s claim that the investigation is already exceeding its mandate and scope.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
4. "...a group that can fight through what could end up being something quite amazing..."
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:10 PM
Jul 2017

????

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It's TREASON. Let's get going on the impeachment, indictments and trials.

Seriously. We are in deep, deep shit, and we've got to get these clowns out before we can take steps to prevent foreign powers from EVER AGAIN having ANY input or influence in an American election.


southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
11. Seems we are rapidly headed toward a dictatorship.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 12:35 PM
Jul 2017

If we aren't already there & just haven't been told outright yet.
The media has been tip-toeing around this for months, but resist telling us the outright truth.
Some of us have eyes that see.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
14. I really have no idea or plan other than personal survival.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 07:22 PM
Jul 2017

The powerful hold all the keys now. I will try to help my fellow man as best I can.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. From Josh Marshall's incredible Editor's Blog, his incredible tagline.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:16 PM
Jul 2017

Kind of an awesome and scary sum up:

This is a crisis. It will escalate dramatically when Trump fires Robert Mueller. Then the Congress will become the only failsafe in the way to extra-constitutional rule.


Note that Josh is not usually the type to dip into such framing.

R&


kentuck

(111,103 posts)
7. Winter is here.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:22 PM
Jul 2017

Donald Trump will do whatever he can get away with. At the present time, he can get away with just about anything he wants. He is using politics like a hammer and sickle.

volstork

(5,402 posts)
9. THIS congress?
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:57 PM
Jul 2017

Don't hold your breath. Anyone with an ® after their name is complicit and will look to save their own hide.

longship

(40,416 posts)
15. Note that Josh makes no judgement against "this Congress"
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:47 AM
Jul 2017

He only states that they are the inevitable, and Constitutional, check and balance. That is inevitably true, no matter what ones politics.

Yes, this is a worrisome scenario. But it does not detract from people's constitutional obligations.

I stand by Josh Marshall. He does not state what they will do, but what they should do.

My best to you.

volstork

(5,402 posts)
16. Oh, I agree with you entirely,
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:08 AM
Jul 2017

but I fear that the repubs in power will abnegate their Constitutional duty in service to their greed for money and power. I also believe many in the upper echelons of congressional power are complicit and will do whatever they think they have to in order to stay out of prison.

ancianita

(36,081 posts)
6. Trump's legal team may not determine the mandate and scope of what will have global ramifications.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:19 PM
Jul 2017

Far bigger and longer than simply draining any DC swamp takes, this will be the climb up Indictment Mountain.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
12. Plan what you'll do when Mueller is fired. This is a crisis.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 04:01 PM
Jul 2017

Mueller will most likely be fired.
Indivisible is helping individuals plan what they will do when they get that news. Check them out.

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