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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnyone else notice that Trump actually had odd 3-way conversation at G20 dinner?
There has been quite a bit of reporting about Trump having a long meeting with Putin at the G20 dinner, deservedly so given Trump's ties to Russia and that he had to go out of his way to do this, first hand signalling down the length of the table to Putin and then later having that 2nd meeting with him.
What I haven't seen reported on and what I noticed in one video of the dinner is that right before Trump did his hand signals to Putin, he had engaged in what looks to be an engaged discussion with the Saudi leader. He then does an exaggeratedly casual stroll to his seat and immediately launches into his hand signals to Putin.
Most of the videos covering this don't show the Trump Saudi conversation. Maybe I'm just feeling overly paranoid these days, but this has been bugging me ever since G20, especially since Trump seemed to very specifically focus on these two encounters at the dinner.
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)but whether you are paranoid enough.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)I don't trust that fucker as far as I can throw a grand piano.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Because that helps Putin.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)How Trump was engaged in that animated conversation with the Saudi leader immediately before he made those hand signals to Putin down the the table.
As this video starts, he and the Saudi leader are already deep in conversation, so it clearly went on for awhile.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Agenda, and totally trying not to leave a paper trail. I think we'll find out a lot of damage done after the fact.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)oil agenda in their powerful positions.
Hmm, how long after Saudi reduction will it take for them to link that to more calls to open up public lands for drilling by us and by Putin?
That puffed up way Trump walks from his meeting with the Saudi leader to then gesture at Putin all the way down that table looks like he is is his 'deal-making' zone.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Came back to the seat- so he lied about her being rude to him. I'm sure they're way too polite to accuse him of ignoring her deliberately but that's how it appears.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)He tried to throw the focus to Abe and away from Awada, who was to his other side and with whom he could also have had a conversation in English had he chosen.
Instead it looks like he was in deal making mode with the Saudi leader and Putin. And that should be a focus of reports, but somehow isn't.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/07/politics/melania-trumps-whirlwind-friday/index.html
But the spouses were split up for at least part of the dinner, President Donald Trump seated next to Argentinian first lady Juliana Awada, and Melania Trump on the other end of the table with Putin. The Slovenian-born American first lady and the Russian president were photographed smiling and leaning toward each other with an interpreter between them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliana_Awada
During her childhood and adolescence, she repeatedly traveled with her mother to Europe and the United States, mainly to Paris, London and New York, looking for fashion collections. After completing her secondary education at a bilingual English school in Belgrano, the now defunct Chester College, she honed her knowledge of that language in the city of Oxford, England.[8]
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)" Saudi Aramco, the state oil company of OPEC's most powerful player, recently announced plans to take full control of the sprawling Port Arthur, Texas refinery. The Gulf Coast facility is the largest refinery in the U.S. and can process 600,000 barrels of oil a day.
Port Arthur has great strategic value, especially given the American oil boom that has eased U.S. appetite for foreign oil.
It will give the Saudis complete control over the refinery. They could then likely bring more of their own crude oil into the U.S. for refining and selling in the North American market.
"Saudi Arabia would have an anchor tenant for much of their crude oil production," said Tom Kloza, global head of energy analysis at the Oil Price Information Service. "Port Arthur is the jewel the Saudis would like."
the rest http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/21/investing/saudi-arabia-largest-us-oil-refinery-port-arthur/index.html
another article http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-motiva-aramco-shell-idUSKCN0WI2XC
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Kathy M
(1,242 posts)"Countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia which are heavily dependent on energy sales to fund national budgets and government services are trying to manage the markets by promising to reduce production. The move on Monday pushed oil prices up by nearly 3.8 percent, to almost $50 a barrel, the highest level in about three weeks.
The strength in oil prices sent American stocks to new highs. With energy shares surging, the Standard & Poors 500 index surpassed its record, closing just above 2,400 points.
The latest swings are proving problematic for global producers. For years, Saudi Arabia and other nations in the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries were often able to easily prop up prices. But their clout has ebbed as new players like American shale producers came into the market and the growth in demand for oil slowed.
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That is forcing Saudi Arabia and Russia to step in again. The two countries agreed on Monday to lower their production levels for nine months longer than originally agreed, through next March. OPEC, of which the Saudis are the de facto leaders, is likely to follow suit when its 13 members meet in Vienna on May 25"
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/business/energy-environment/saudi-arabia-russia-opec-oil.html
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Kathy M
(1,242 posts)get a grip
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It's completely a breach of security to allow that moron to do this. Get a clue.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Missile crisis by candlelight: Donald Trump's use of Mar-a-Lago raises security questions
Trump handled news of North Koreas missile launch at his private club, rather than the situation room, raising an array of ethical and national security issues.
Trump likes to conduct business at dinner. He is still in that habit. And his giant ego makes him think he can get away with anything.
I think you actually brought up good points in your posts above. It is interesting that the Saudis bought Port Arthur. I think Russia was about to buy a refinery too, but it looks like that's not happening, at least for now.
I posted this to have a discussion. I am open to that, agree or disagree. But I don't think comments like "get a grip" are conducive to that.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Also, don't the translators ever get to eat? Do they grab a Big Mac and fries to scarf down on the elevator?
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Good point about the translators. Maybe they eat while their employers are getting dressed for dinner? Or yeah, scarf it down whenever they can.