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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe'll never fully recover from this Presidency.
At some point, we'll have a Democratic President who can rebuild the agencies that Trump so cavalierly decimated. And if that Democratic President is anything like the last one, he or she will also be able to rebuild some level of trust in the office, as well as our relations around the globe. And if and when we get a Democratic Congress, we may even be able to reverse any harmful policies enacted into law.
That said, we'll never be able to wipe away the stain of Trump himself. He really has debased the office in a way that will never full go away.
And Republicans will keep enabling him - all for a stupid tax cut. In the words of Trump himself, SAD!
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,592 posts)It was clear from the get-go that ***** had no business thinking he was the least bit qualified for the job. His raging incompetence, however, goes far past anything I could have imagined.
Why anybody, ANYBODY, voted for him is beyond me.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)as a joke. They thought he was goofy and funny. They liked him insulting everyone and he talked like someone who never got past the sixth grade. They thought he was good for a laugh. Also, thrown in with the mix was racism. I don't think they realized the destruction he would cause.
Afromania
(2,771 posts)They just don't care. They willingly voted for a monster and continue to support "it" enough that their house reps and senators aren't curtailing it. Rather than standing by this bum they could be out there screaming for their representatives to stop this farce of a human.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,170 posts)He said he was going to reign in Wall Street. He promised something better and more affordable than Obamacare. He said he wouldn't spend so much time golfing.
We all know well those promises were kept.
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)We'll never recover from Dubya/Cheney fully, and NO--we won't recover from this 1984 presidency ever.
BigmanPigman
(51,626 posts)and broke the ground for all the Repub BS that has happened since.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Our government has been sliding into the abyss since the Kennedy assassination. When Democrats are in charge they winch it back a little. When the Republicans take over, the hard won gains are crushed under their jackboots.
I think we've had it as a sustainable democracy.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I am tired of living with the Deplorables.
Oubaas
(131 posts)If all we're left with is a stain, I'll breathe a sigh of relief.
I keep thinking of Samson and the Philistines.
I have no doubt that all of us are seen as Philistines, and it doesn't seem much of a stretch when I imagine the guy with the football thinking of himself as Samson. And you know how that story went.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)PJMcK
(22,048 posts)Samson wasn't very smart and that's a trait he shares with Trump. I mean, Delilah asked him several times what was the secret of his strength. Each time he told her a different reason and she'd try to overcome him. That he didn't see the nefarious pattern is practically humorous.
Once he was captured and blinded, he was brought into the temple by the Philistines.
I'm not sure we have an apt analogy in this tale.
On the other hand, Samson was incredibly strong and that's a trait Trump has never known. He is the weakest president in my nearly 6 decades of life. When he sends out his tweets, I'm chagrined that the president acts like a teenaged "mean girl." I'm also amused that he's such a jackass. Most importantly, however, it demonstrates how ineffectual he is. His incompetence is unlike anything I've ever seen.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Golden Raisin
(4,612 posts)with continued aggressive gerrymandering, Russian and domestic rigging/manipulation of election results. Many keep thinking future elections are somehow going to be "normal", solve our current problems and enable regime change. Based on this past Presidential election I have little hope or reliance on the legitimacy of future elections.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)BootinUp
(47,182 posts)how all people who r sane both here and around the world will judge our system of government and our citizens too.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)I knew a number of people who didn't like Trump and would have rather had a different Republican win the primary. But when push came to shove they still voted for Trump because they wanted their taxes lowered. I think these upscale Republicans don't get enough flak for their support for Trump. They were willing to throw the country under the bus for a tax cut.
Trump is just the culmination of decades of Republicans making greed and selfishness a virtue and pretty much deciding to do whatever it takes to win and change America into a country that is becoming nastier and meaner every day. Right-wing talk radio heads like Rush Limbaugh have been using crass appeals to sexism and racism for a long time so even Trump's vulgar style is not totally new although it is new for a presidential candidate and that is probably where he will leave his greatest legacy. Politics is becoming more of a cesspit and a lot of decent people don't want to have anything to do with politics anymore. It furthers the state of corrosive cynicism and lack of trust in our institutions that leads people to not bother paying attention or even voting.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But somehow we will carry on.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Thanks for saving me the time!
VOX
(22,976 posts)We're *still* fighting the American Civil War. It's a cold war for now, but more than a few nutcases on the right would love to blast away.
The issues are the same: Should the United States maintain an aristocracy that holds most of wealth; and should people of color be a perpetual underclass in service to it? And as time passes, that "underclass" becomes an increasingly larger entity. And should that "underclass" be allowed access to healthcare? Jobs? Affordable education? A fair shake? The 1% (like slave owners) say no, that *they* are the victims of an overreaching federal government. Meanwhile, the homeless choke our storefronts and alleys, corporations destroy the planet, and we are involved in endless warfare abroad.
This war can still be lost, and it's not looking good right now.
Initech
(100,100 posts)Until we do, expect nothing to change.
Rhiannon12866
(205,916 posts)Of course, this was a year or two before Trump.
J_William_Ryan
(1,756 posts)We'll never fully recover from this Presidency.
No, we wont.
Therell be a Democratic president and Congress at some point, we can only hope sooner rather than later but the irreparable damage will have been done to the judiciary, a Supreme Court populated with hateful, reactionary Trump appointees, where the states will once again be able to compel a woman to give birth against her will, deny same-sex couples access to marriage, and disadvantage immigrants, and there wont be anything a Democratic president and Congress can do about it.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)It took Obama 7 yrs just to get one major part of the process in the economy think of all the many parts we wil have to undo, that is if we come out in numbers to change the 2 chambers
We can by gathering as a unit and get back congress both we hope. We have a yr to lay ground word for this achievement. We can do this. Must do this
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)MarvinGardens
(779 posts)CrispyQ
(36,502 posts)Since Obama was elected president, I've seen racism openly expressed like I've never seen it before. I'm 60 & grew up in a rural area & what people feel okay saying today, on TV, and in the public space - they would have been shamed back when I was a kid. No, we didn't get over the Civil War. It's been reignited. I blame McCain for bringing Palin to the national stage - she started a lot of this & the GOP condoned it with their silence.
mopinko
(70,198 posts)is to hang them all from the washington monument on the 4th of july.
broadcaster90210
(333 posts)The time is not now, but the time WILL come where we will split into two or more nations. Bin Laden was playing the long con.
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)would be more comfortable joining a country with which they have a great deal in common -- socially and economically. How about the United Provinces and States of CANADA?! (UPSC for short.....).
The_REAL_Ecumenist
(728 posts)basically most Americans are good and decent people & love their country. It may take a few years but we will bounce back.
populistdriven
(5,644 posts)mdbl
(4,973 posts)And they will keep acting like fools and fools will keep electing them - VERY SAD!
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts). . . a reporter will ask Trump about his term as President.
Trump will reply: "You must be mistaken. I was never President."
drray23
(7,637 posts)Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)a chance to rewrite the Constitution at the Koch/ALEC Constitutional convention. I'm going to begin reading "Democracy in Chains" because I need more reasons to be depressed.
Solly Mack
(90,780 posts)And Trump has dug in, and made recovery even more less likely.
GTMO is still open. Obama tried - but it's still open.
Shrub's legacy, yes - but still open.
The Patriot Act is still on the books.
Shrub's abuses of office - his abuses of office with impunity - has given Trump a lot of ground to work with to cause more damage.
CousinIT
(9,256 posts)The Kochs, Mercers and other billionaires own and control the Republican Party lock, stock, and barrel. That is who the GOP works exclusively for - no one else. Citizens United has ensured that unlimited amounts of dark money can flow from these billionaires through many channels to Republican Party and campaign coffers. And that money is NOT for nothing. The billionaires EXPECT SOMETHING IN RETURN. They expect to literally control the entire US gov't and to have every policy and law (esp tax laws) written exclusively in their favor such that most of America gets or has nothing and the billionaires and corporations GET. IT. ALL. And I mean EVERY LAST CENT.
Case in point:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/26/koch-network-piggy-banks-closed-republicans-healthcare-tax-reform?CMP=share_btn_tw
AND
http://billmoyers.com/story/more-deep-history-radical-right/#.WXQ9f9AZXfo.twitter
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)We survived Reagan. We survived Bush 1 and Bush 2.
We will survive this. It just won't be pleasant for a while.
Just think of Trump as a colonoscopy. Keep reminding yourself the discomfort will be over eventually.
Kleveland
(1,257 posts)But your optimistic point of view is appreciated!
VOX
(22,976 posts)Every 10 years I get the smoothest high with the twilight sedation. Lasts all day, too!
Skittles
(153,185 posts)or Dubya - the hits just keep coming
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)lostnfound
(16,189 posts)The blitzkrieg is intended to destabilize, overwhelm and exhaust the opposition.
Vinca
(50,302 posts)We might be able to repair the damage, but we'll always have a scar.