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Casprings

(347 posts)
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 06:08 PM Jul 2017

SEN. Jeff Flake:My Party Is in Denial About Donald Trump We created him, and now we're rationalizing

This is actually pretty amazing from a GOP Senator.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/31/my-party-is-in-denial-about-donald-trump-215442

I will let the liberals answer for their own sins in this regard. (There are many.) But we conservatives mocked Barack Obama’s failure to deliver on his pledge to change the tone in Washington even as we worked to assist with that failure. It was we conservatives who, upon Obama’s election, stated that our number-one priority was not advancing a conservative policy agenda but making Obama a one-term president—the corollary to this binary thinking being that his failure would be our success and the fortunes of the citizenry would presumably be sorted out in the meantime. It was we conservatives who were largely silent when the most egregious and sustained attacks on Obama’s legitimacy were leveled by marginal figures who would later be embraced and legitimized by far too many of us. It was we conservatives who rightly and robustly asserted our constitutional prerogatives as a coequal branch of government when a Democrat was in the White House but who, despite solemn vows to do the same in the event of a Trump presidency, have maintained an unnerving silence as instability has ensued. To carry on in the spring of 2017 as if what was happening was anything approaching normalcy required a determined suspension of critical faculties. And tremendous powers of denial.
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SEN. Jeff Flake:My Party Is in Denial About Donald Trump We created him, and now we're rationalizing (Original Post) Casprings Jul 2017 OP
BLASPHEMER! Thomas Hurt Jul 2017 #1
McCain enid602 Jul 2017 #14
Is he up for re-election? Siwsan Jul 2017 #2
Yes. Up in 2018. NT Casprings Jul 2017 #5
Too little, too late. Scarsdale Jul 2017 #22
+1 narnian60 Jul 2017 #35
+1 broadcaster90210 Jul 2017 #40
+1 ButSeeYa Jul 2017 #48
Yup and this is one guy that needs to be kicked to the side of the road as cstanleytech Jul 2017 #41
Ok. That's why he's coming out with this now. brush Jul 2017 #53
A repub is a repub is a repub FOREVER! RestoreAmerica2020 Jul 2017 #49
Lee Attwater moment. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #3
I've always wondered how much Atwater really changed BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #23
Republicans winetourdriver01 Jul 2017 #4
It will be interesting to see how the GOP responds. Or if they do. CrispyQ Jul 2017 #6
Yet he doesn't call for tRump's removal SHRED Jul 2017 #7
Maybe he's leaving that to McCain TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #9
Because he is pretending to be a moderate but not to moderate or in other words cstanleytech Jul 2017 #42
Do you mean RoBear Aug 2017 #58
That always gave me a headache in school LOL cstanleytech Aug 2017 #59
lots of students have a problem with that RoBear Aug 2017 #60
Thats why I try to resist correcting spelling errors others make because I make cstanleytech Aug 2017 #61
he probably doesn't ever mention limbaugh directly certainot Aug 2017 #62
OH fuck the Republicans. Look at all the candidates that ran .. most all were YOHABLO Jul 2017 #8
WTB + infinity symbol!!! cstanleytech Jul 2017 #43
You left out... czarjak Jul 2017 #52
He's one of very few Dem2 Jul 2017 #10
Bullshit. cstanleytech Jul 2017 #44
I'll start listening to him, Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #11
exactly Mr. Bill, exactly! Flake needs to put up or shut up. nt bench scientist Jul 2017 #20
Thats what is needed in Arizona a Fuck Flake campaign. cstanleytech Jul 2017 #45
Damn! K&R trof Jul 2017 #12
ooh, the defections are starting! flibbitygiblets Jul 2017 #13
Don't be fooled. Scarsdale Jul 2017 #24
his internal campaign polls must be showing the ground shifting away from right wing MiddleClass Jul 2017 #15
Wonder if he will be a GOP candidate for president? Sounds japple Jul 2017 #16
Please read 2 sentences of total honesty ( near end )...(interpertation after sentences) Stuart G Jul 2017 #17
True but he too went alone malaise Jul 2017 #29
Wait until Ryan and McConnell Scarsdale Jul 2017 #30
If he is willing to start cracking the armour, let's see what Alice11111 Jul 2017 #46
I think he's sensing his poll numbers aren't good so he penned a bullshit, fake mea culpa catbyte Jul 2017 #18
I do buy it...only because it is honest...He is really saying...wake up fellow Republicans... Stuart G Jul 2017 #21
You have more faith in Republicans than I do.If he was so concerned, why vote for that hideous catbyte Jul 2017 #25
The question is though can be he be trusted and by own actions the answer is "No". cstanleytech Jul 2017 #47
what!? spicysista Jul 2017 #19
But Flake did vote to destroy Obamacare malaise Jul 2017 #26
In other words: "Buy my book!" oberliner Jul 2017 #27
Sen. Flake and others blindly followed Mitch McConnell, the MOST to blame. maddiemom Jul 2017 #28
au contraire. Flake has his eyes wide open and he still follows. grantcart Jul 2017 #31
You have a point. maddiemom Jul 2017 #56
So what is Sneator Flake going to do about it? iemitsu Jul 2017 #32
I give Flake points for writing this. The Tea Party is probably hot on his trail screaming "RINO'! octoberlib Jul 2017 #33
He is doing this to protect his a$$he voted for the repeal of the ACA and now the guilty jerk kimbutgar Jul 2017 #34
Flakey Waffle Man ChazInAz Jul 2017 #36
oh NOW he sees the light? Skittles Jul 2017 #37
Looks like there are Republicans who see the mid term elections will slip away from Republicans if Thinkingabout Jul 2017 #38
Flake and Heinrich did this reality TV show a while back Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #39
He's up for re-election... HeartlandDem Jul 2017 #50
Fuck you Flake. You knew this all along and didn't do or say shit !!! pangaia Jul 2017 #51
haha AlexSFCA Jul 2017 #54
Why the past tense? They're still fucking legitimizing him. Nt Barack_America Jul 2017 #55
This message is self-serving. He's trying to hold on to his seat. Tatiana Aug 2017 #57
I hope Dumpy's goons call him up and threaten to punish Arizona IronLionZion Aug 2017 #63
it's about time they own up to their absurdity VaBchTgerLily Aug 2017 #64
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #65

Siwsan

(26,289 posts)
2. Is he up for re-election?
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 06:13 PM
Jul 2017

Maybe he's gotten some rational feedback from his constituents. However, I've pretty much given up on any of the GOP actually being honest and deciding to serve the public, rather than the lobbyists.



Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
22. Too little, too late.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:23 PM
Jul 2017

They disrespected, blocked everything President Obama tried to do, mocked him (birth cert.) and NOW they have the biggest ASSHOLE in the country in the WH. We had a highly respected, intelligent, CLASSY man trying to do what is best for the citizens, and the gop acted like fools. Too late to repair all the damage. They should have gotten behind President Obama with his ideas, and by now we would have a decent healthcare program. Eight long, painful years later, they want to excuse themselves for the damage? Go to HELL, Flakey. We will not forget what the gop did for those 8 years, or what they have done for the lousy few months Orange Mistake has ruled with his tiny hands.

cstanleytech

(26,318 posts)
41. Yup and this is one guy that needs to be kicked to the side of the road as
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:18 PM
Jul 2017

his actions speak louder and he was willing to let the feces fly at Obama and imo he is only saying this with the hope that it helps him down the road at winning another term.

BannonsLiver

(16,439 posts)
23. I've always wondered how much Atwater really changed
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:23 PM
Jul 2017

There's a great story in "Boogey Man" a documentary about Atwater that I'd recommend to anyone regardless of party.

Long story short: Lee got a bible from a friend when he got sick. He professed to love this bible, telling everyone who would listen how much he was reading it and how it had affected him. As a consequence everyone around Atwater thought he had softened and seen the light.

Not long after Lee died some folks were packing up his stuff. Among many things, they found Lee's bible, still in the plastic shrinkwrap it came in.

 

winetourdriver01

(1,154 posts)
4. Republicans
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 06:15 PM
Jul 2017

The republican caucus is paralyzed, they don't know whether to shit or get off the pot. Their window is closing quickly.

CrispyQ

(36,502 posts)
6. It will be interesting to see how the GOP responds. Or if they do.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 06:16 PM
Jul 2017
Under our constitution, there simply are not that many people who are in a position to do something about an executive branch in chaos. As the first branch of government (Article I), the Congress was designed expressly to assert itself at just such moments. It is what we talk about when we talk about “checks and balances.” Too often, we observe the unfolding drama along with the rest of the country, passively, all but saying, “Someone should do something!” without seeming to realize that that someone is us. And so, that unnerving silence in the face of an erratic executive branch is an abdication, and those in positions of leadership bear particular responsibility.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,211 posts)
9. Maybe he's leaving that to McCain
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 06:41 PM
Jul 2017

Let the Russia investigation keep going, let Mueller do his part and the when McCain is on his deathbed, BAMM. Hopefully Trump doesn't start a war before then.

cstanleytech

(26,318 posts)
42. Because he is pretending to be a moderate but not to moderate or in other words
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:20 PM
Jul 2017

he is trying to play up to both sides without pissing off one of them to much.

RoBear

(1,188 posts)
60. lots of students have a problem with that
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:59 AM
Aug 2017

but I really thought it was a simple typo. Damn auto-correct!!

(My first posting of this response said "type" not "typo"; how's THAT for proofreading???!!!)

cstanleytech

(26,318 posts)
61. Thats why I try to resist correcting spelling errors others make because I make
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 11:06 AM
Aug 2017

plenty of my own LOL

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
62. he probably doesn't ever mention limbaugh directly
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 03:15 PM
Aug 2017

i wish some of the republicans having second thoughts would say the words "talk radio" - then maybe liberals and the media will start to pay attention.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
8. OH fuck the Republicans. Look at all the candidates that ran .. most all were
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 06:24 PM
Jul 2017

assholes .. their ideology sucks, their agenda sucks. They give the middle finger to the poor and middle class. The whole party should be dissolved. All they know how to do is lie, cheat, and steal. So Flake, spare me.

cstanleytech

(26,318 posts)
44. Bullshit.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:22 PM
Jul 2017

If that was the case he would have said this when he was first sworn in nor would he have voted yes for Gorsuck so imo Flake can go fuck himself.

Mr.Bill

(24,317 posts)
11. I'll start listening to him,
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jul 2017

or any republican talking like him, when he changes his party affiliation. Ask him how many times he voted to repeal the ACA. Fucking scum.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
24. Don't be fooled.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:28 PM
Jul 2017

They are trying to hold on to their cushy jobs, with the great benefits and perks. If they are re-elected, it will be "business as usual" Remember them all grinning like hyenas, unloading cases of (covered up with sheets) beer to celebrate with tRump at the WH? Do not be fooled.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
15. his internal campaign polls must be showing the ground shifting away from right wing
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:03 PM
Jul 2017

You must see, finally, that Don the con is going to bring down the whole Republican.

House of cards

and looking for the exits, (to mix my metaphors)

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
17. Please read 2 sentences of total honesty ( near end )...(interpertation after sentences)
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:07 PM
Jul 2017

Near the end of the article Flake says:

"Even as our own government was documenting a con­certed attack against our democratic processes by an enemy foreign power, our own White House was rejecting the authority of its own intelligence agencies, disclaiming their findings as a Democratic ruse and a hoax. Conduct that would have had conservatives up in arms had it been exhibited by our political opponents now had us dumbstruck."

These are towards the end of the article...very important!!!!below, my interpretation: ______________________________________________________________________________________

What he is saying is..(meaning, not exact words..)..........if it were a Democrat doing the same as Trump...we conservatives would be up in arms, ....but because it is a Republican...........we are dumbstruck, and say and do nothing...also,...............................................
......our president is rejecting our own intelligence agencies...( FBI, CIA..etc..)..and saying their findings are a Democratic hoax..................

Flake is telling the truth here....at least someone is...........hat is off to Senator Flake..



Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
30. Wait until Ryan and McConnell
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:31 PM
Jul 2017

read this! No wonder he released it AFTER leaving DC for another recess. He will get his arse chewed out when they get him back in DC.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
46. If he is willing to start cracking the armour, let's see what
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:26 PM
Jul 2017

happens. It's not like the Dems can do much, as we aren't the majority. They determine what the committees take up, what gets to the floor. We are smashed. Without the 3 Repubs, Obamacare would be gone. BTW, Hatch said, in spite of DTs edict, he wasn't willing to stop paying the subsidies.

catbyte

(34,437 posts)
18. I think he's sensing his poll numbers aren't good so he penned a bullshit, fake mea culpa
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:16 PM
Jul 2017

of sorts. He proposes no real solutions, only outlines the problem that every Republican politician knows but couldn't care less about. Hey, they're controlling everything, so why rock the Titanic? He's voted with that orange POS 95% of the time, most recently for the Skinny Repeal that would've devastated people in his state. Why? And why pen this now? There's something else going on because this just doesn't sound sincere.

I don't buy it.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
21. I do buy it...only because it is honest...He is really saying...wake up fellow Republicans...
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:22 PM
Jul 2017

and do something.....we are at fault....perhaps something else is going on...but this is honest and true....
and he may be the only Republican to say this..We all know it is true, but for one of them to say this, that is very unusual....for whatever reasons..this is still important...

catbyte

(34,437 posts)
25. You have more faith in Republicans than I do.If he was so concerned, why vote for that hideous
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:28 PM
Jul 2017

HC bill? He may telling the truth, but he's certainly not willing to do anything but give it lip service. But what do I know?

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
19. what!?
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:17 PM
Jul 2017

This day has been....I don't even know what...... Well, welcome to reality, Senator. Now what are you going to do about this monster that you've helped create?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. In other words: "Buy my book!"
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:29 PM
Jul 2017
This article has been excerpted from his new book, Conscience of a Conservative. Excerpted by permission of Random House.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
33. I give Flake points for writing this. The Tea Party is probably hot on his trail screaming "RINO'!
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:39 PM
Jul 2017

Like the lady who believes in chemtrails who wants to take McCain's seat and was urging him to resign already. Flake's a Republican, not a Democrat and the best we can hope for is that they're not complete whackjob Trump supporters.

kimbutgar

(21,181 posts)
34. He is doing this to protect his a$$he voted for the repeal of the ACA and now the guilty jerk
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:40 PM
Jul 2017

Is trying to sound like a patriot. But he is a friggin traitor.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
38. Looks like there are Republicans who see the mid term elections will slip away from Republicans if
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:47 PM
Jul 2017

Trump continues his actions. He is feeling the heat.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
39. Flake and Heinrich did this reality TV show a while back
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:48 PM
Jul 2017

surviving together in Marshall islands I think.

Idea being can they work together.

So I suppose he was one of the more likely ones to come out and act human at some point.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
51. Fuck you Flake. You knew this all along and didn't do or say shit !!!
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 09:07 PM
Jul 2017

NOW, Now that you are in your own deep shit.. you suddenly have a come to jesus moment.

Sorry asshole.. You made it. YOU own it.





AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
54. haha
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 11:27 PM
Jul 2017

looks like flake didn't know mccain was gonna vote No to repeal. He is envious of mccain's move. Guess what, talking isn't worth much; show it by voting the right way.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
57. This message is self-serving. He's trying to hold on to his seat.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:14 AM
Aug 2017

Wow... I wonder if his internals are as bad as Heller's.

He was quite happy to go along with McTurtle's agenda until it jeopardized his precious Senate seat. I hope we take Nevada and Arizona. Arizona is trending purple.

IronLionZion

(45,516 posts)
63. I hope Dumpy's goons call him up and threaten to punish Arizona
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 03:34 PM
Aug 2017

To his credit, Flake has been critical of dipshit back during the campaign last year too and didn't go to the convention.

But he still votes with the GOP on ACA repeal and other things Dumpy wants. He's not known for being a maverick.

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