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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 09:59 AM Aug 2017

After months of bullying, a 12-year-old New Jersey girl killed herself. Her parents blame the school

Excellent! Sue them all the way!!!!!! Seems to be the only way some listen, if money is involved!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/02/after-months-of-bullying-a-12-year-old-new-jersey-girl-killed-herself-her-parents-blame-the-school/


For months, 12-year-old Mallory Grossman received the taunts in text messages, Instagram posts and Snapchats.

She was a loser and had no friends, they told her. At one point, according to an attorney for Mallory’s family, the girls even asked her, “Why don’t you kill yourself?”

In the classrooms and hallways of her middle school in Rockaway Township, N.J., a group of sixth grade girls continued to torment her. They would tease Mallory, give her dirty looks and snub her, shooing her away from their lunch table.

The taunts, her parents say, soon took a toll on the lively young cheerleader and gymnast. At school, Mallory’s grades deteriorated. At home, she complained of constant headaches and stomach pain. She begged to stay home from school.

After the bullying began in October of last year, Mallory’s parents spoke to her teachers, counselors and school administrators — along with the students’ parents — pleading with them to help put an end to the ugliness.

Then, on June 14, Mallory took her own life. The manner of death was not disclosed.
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After months of bullying, a 12-year-old New Jersey girl killed herself. Her parents blame the school (Original Post) RKP5637 Aug 2017 OP
6th grade is a terrible time for bullying, and texting and online bullying has made it even worse. pnwmom Aug 2017 #1
Likely the parents are the same. It's horrible! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #2
I told my kids I would never care about if they were popular pnwmom Aug 2017 #3
Excellent! RKP5637 Aug 2017 #5
I thought I had it bad in 6th grade. Initech Aug 2017 #4
Yep, back then it was the classroom, halls or playground. I used to have this ass at the RKP5637 Aug 2017 #6
Did you see that article on Buzzfeed where students are using Trump to bully other students? Initech Aug 2017 #8
I've read a number of instances wherein kids are acting out Trump in their behavior. Yep, some RKP5637 Aug 2017 #10
America loves bullies Calculating Aug 2017 #7
Sadly, that is quite true. Often America is also a bullying nation in other countries and is RKP5637 Aug 2017 #9
That poor little girl! I can't imagine how bad it must be for a child that age to kill herself. smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #11
It is, and asses like tRump fuel it!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #12
It's not worse. B2G Aug 2017 #14
You'd think no kid ever committed suicide due to bullying Mariana Aug 2017 #23
So tragic. But, B2G Aug 2017 #13
If I were a kid today I would have nothing to do with social media, because it's RKP5637 Aug 2017 #15
Agree. And B2G Aug 2017 #16
I don't know what the answer is, either gratuitous Aug 2017 #17
I'm not sure what she could say B2G Aug 2017 #20
Republicans don't have a lot of credibility when it comes to being against bullying gratuitous Aug 2017 #21
I never said they did. B2G Aug 2017 #22
Sorry, I was trying to make sense out of your other post gratuitous Aug 2017 #36
I think the parents should have taken her out of school. Mariana Aug 2017 #28
The stuff that happened at school is their responsibility Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #18
Again, it's impossible to police thousands of kids B2G Aug 2017 #19
I don't necessarily disagree Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #29
Why didn't they take her out of that school? cwydro Aug 2017 #24
Agreed, and I don't understand B2G Aug 2017 #25
That's what I would have done. It seems there would have been a lot of severe warning RKP5637 Aug 2017 #27
She should have been pulled out of school until this was resolved. Kaleva Aug 2017 #26
Agreed - kids can be extremely cruel. nt jonno99 Aug 2017 #31
The parents of the girl themselves bear some of the blame Kaleva Aug 2017 #34
While I hate to judge them without knowing them, I have to agree. If one of my jonno99 Aug 2017 #35
I do hope they also go after the parents of the girls who were doing the bullying Kaleva Aug 2017 #37
Personally, I question the need for a 12 year-old to have access to social media on their phone. jonno99 Aug 2017 #30
Did you hear Melania Trump's heartfelt message about this incident... hexola Aug 2017 #32
Sad to read this. Snackshack Aug 2017 #33

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
1. 6th grade is a terrible time for bullying, and texting and online bullying has made it even worse.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:41 AM
Aug 2017

I can't understand the parents of the offenders.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
3. I told my kids I would never care about if they were popular
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 10:50 AM
Aug 2017

but I would hate it if one of my children were unkind.

Initech

(100,082 posts)
4. I thought I had it bad in 6th grade.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:01 AM
Aug 2017

At least when I was in middle and high school, bullies had their limits. Which were when school starts and when school ends. Now they don't have that - and they can stalk with endless limits. I'd hate to see what kids have to endure now with Twitter, Facebook, and all the other social media crap where anyone can bully anonymously and leave death threats.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
6. Yep, back then it was the classroom, halls or playground. I used to have this ass at the
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:18 AM
Aug 2017

bus stop that was always trying to break my arm. None did anything. My mother complained to the school, but it fell on death ears. Eventually he just went away. Yes, the kids today must have a horrible time of it. Absolutely horrible. I often think our society is very backward in being civil. Certainly better than eons past, but so many people just have a strong desire to be bigots and haters. I think it's endemic to the human species, ingrained in many, survival of the fittest and all of that. And someone like tRump coasts into office on bigotry and hatred. Yes, the promise of jobs, but I think that was cemented with bigotry and hatred.

Initech

(100,082 posts)
8. Did you see that article on Buzzfeed where students are using Trump to bully other students?
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:34 AM
Aug 2017

And the parents and teachers are baffled as to what to do. I mean if this guy is their role model, who's their enemy?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/kids-are-quoting-trump-to-bully-their-classmates?bftw&utm_term=.yl2nYP4a5#.dcvDVaZkx

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
10. I've read a number of instances wherein kids are acting out Trump in their behavior. Yep, some
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:39 AM
Aug 2017

see him as their role model. That, is how truly F'ed up the US is. How we went from Obama in the WH to this ass is unbelievable. I seriously do wonder about the future of the US as Trumpism takes roots. About a 1/3 of this country has truly disturbed emotions and behavior in a supposedly civilized country. Reading the article, I seriously wonder when Trump will start "Trump Youth Camps!"





Calculating

(2,955 posts)
7. America loves bullies
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:31 AM
Aug 2017

We even elected one as president. Bullying is thought to be a rite of passage for kids to go through in school, and none of the teachers or parents ever do anything about it.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
9. Sadly, that is quite true. Often America is also a bullying nation in other countries and is
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:34 AM
Aug 2017

sometime disgusting! And, I think some teachers and parents see it as a form of entertainment. Some people take pictures of others dying and do nothing to help them. FFS!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. That poor little girl! I can't imagine how bad it must be for a child that age to kill herself.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:45 AM
Aug 2017

Her parents must be devastated. What on earth is wrong with kids these days? When I grew up there was the usual teasing and stuff, but nothing like what I have been hearing about lately. It's beyond cruel.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
14. It's not worse.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:54 AM
Aug 2017

They just have unlimited ways to torment now because of social media and the universal access to cell phones. And thousands can witness the bullying online and egg it on, which makes it all the more devastating.

Kids haven't changed. Technology has.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
23. You'd think no kid ever committed suicide due to bullying
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 01:42 PM
Aug 2017

before social media and cell phones came into existence. That is just not true. You're absolutely right, the kids haven't changed at all.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
13. So tragic. But,
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 11:53 AM
Aug 2017

honestly, what is the school supposed to do about snap chats, texts and Instagram posts that go on outside of school? And dirty looks and hushed comments in a hallway? Really hard to police. Kids are sneaky as hell.

Schools can only do so much. This is on the kids' parents. And while I'm not blaming the parents of the deceased child, I really question why they didn't forbid her to access social media. If the bullies knew she couldn't see what they were posting, it might have discouraged it. It's no fun if you get no reaction.

Sad all around.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
15. If I were a kid today I would have nothing to do with social media, because it's
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 12:00 PM
Aug 2017

often a cesspool IMO.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
16. Agree. And
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 12:04 PM
Aug 2017

I'm so glad that crap wasn't around when my kids were that age. They didn't even have cellphones until they were like 16 and started working.

There is no reason for a middle school kid to have a smart phone.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. I don't know what the answer is, either
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 12:10 PM
Aug 2017

From my own experience back in the Jurassic Period, getting the grown-ups involved just made matters worse. I've seen districts where there is a peer review board with a faculty overseer and students themselves handling disputes. I don't know how effective it is, but doing something seems preferable to doing nothing, particularly when students are committing suicide.

I thought the Third Lady was taking this sort of thing on as her special project? Has she issued a statement about this?

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
20. I'm not sure what she could say
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 12:18 PM
Aug 2017

that wouldn't be met with a flood of online derision. Which IMO is a form of bullying in itself. What great examples we are for our children, huh? And we wonder where they get it from. It's fine if you hate the target of your wrath, then all is excused.

That platform has been effectively taken away from her.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
21. Republicans don't have a lot of credibility when it comes to being against bullying
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 12:30 PM
Aug 2017

Their political platform depends on it, which is why any efforts by Melania Trump would be discounted as a cynical ploy to appear sympathetic to the victims of bullying.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
22. I never said they did.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 01:25 PM
Aug 2017

But no one seems to know how to stop this behavior in children. It starts with parents leading by example. We cannot teach our children that it's not OK to post abhorrent things about people online if we do it ourselves.

Don't believe me? I see it here all the time. Name calling, denigrating people's appearances, etc. And Twitter is DU on steroids.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
28. I think the parents should have taken her out of school.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 01:51 PM
Aug 2017

She needed a break. I understand it is difficult to do that, but I think in extreme cases like this it has to be done. It doesn't have to be forever. The child was being made physically ill from the stress of going to school. That was a clue that the child was in serious trouble mentally as well. Of course they should have taken the cell phone away and restricted her internet use as well.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
19. Again, it's impossible to police thousands of kids
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 12:15 PM
Aug 2017

all day, every day. Especially if the bullying is very subtle within the school walls.

This is on the parents.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
29. I don't necessarily disagree
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 01:52 PM
Aug 2017

Especially if the child said nothing to the administrators. Even if they did, with social media it's impossible to expect teachers to police this. Parents need to parent.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
24. Why didn't they take her out of that school?
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 01:45 PM
Aug 2017

I don't understand watching your child suffer for that long and that horribly, but still allow her to go to that school.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
25. Agreed, and I don't understand
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 01:47 PM
Aug 2017

why they continued to let her carry a cell phone and continue to use social media.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
27. That's what I would have done. It seems there would have been a lot of severe warning
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 01:48 PM
Aug 2017

signs building up, but then we don't know all the details.

Kaleva

(36,314 posts)
26. She should have been pulled out of school until this was resolved.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 01:48 PM
Aug 2017

Day after day this poor child was sent off to be mentally and emotionally tortured until she finally couldn't take it anymore. Hell, she begged to stay home!

Kaleva

(36,314 posts)
34. The parents of the girl themselves bear some of the blame
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 03:05 PM
Aug 2017

She begged to stay home, was complaining of headaches and stomach aches but they kept sending her to school.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
35. While I hate to judge them without knowing them, I have to agree. If one of my
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 03:13 PM
Aug 2017

kids was telling me the same story of bullying and exhibiting symptoms of headaches, etc, I would be on the war-path.

Kaleva

(36,314 posts)
37. I do hope they also go after the parents of the girls who were doing the bullying
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 03:22 PM
Aug 2017

And I agree with you. Id also be on the warpath if something like that was happening to one of mine. Talk to the other parents, talk to the school, remove the child from such a hostile enviroment until tge issue was resolved and have total control of the child's access to social media.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
30. Personally, I question the need for a 12 year-old to have access to social media on their phone.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 02:52 PM
Aug 2017

IMHO, give the kid a phone to MAKE A PHONE CALL - if the need arises. Data plans are expensive and provide an unnecessary distraction for kids that age.

That being said, the school should have made a much greater effort to stop the bullying.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
32. Did you hear Melania Trump's heartfelt message about this incident...
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 02:53 PM
Aug 2017

Of course not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wasn't cyberbullying her "cause" as FL...?

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
33. Sad to read this.
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 03:04 PM
Aug 2017

Growing up with a slight birth defect (missing some fingers on rt hand) I can say from experience that grades 1-6 were the worst by far for being picked on, made fun of...bullying. Everyday it went on and thank the powers that be that at the time (late 70's, early 80's) I was living with my great grandmother. Everyday I woke up dreading going to school and everyday I came home absolutely depressed and dejected. My grandmother would always tell me the rhyme "Sticks and Stones". It was some of the best advice I ever got...it is only words.
Back when I was dealing with bullying that rhyme worked wonders for me but that was a different time. I only had to deal with the bullying for a few hours each day. Today with social media bullying goes on 24hrs day. Not sure if the advice grandma gave would work for me today...but that rhyme is still good advice IMO.

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