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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI've served on a federal grand jury...
The prosecutors had nearly irrefutable evidence. They were 100% professional and had their shit together.
The cases that were presented had a mountain of evidence.
I have no doubt Bob Mueller has a strong case.
samnsara
(17,636 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)who are these people? I have never known anyone who was on them, unless they are sworn to secrecy
Kingofalldems
(38,485 posts)He would come back for a couple days and then would go back to the jury.
Submariner
(12,509 posts)They'd have to let me bring my cat to jury duty.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I have no idea how the federal process works, but for the county I showed up for normal jury duty and was told I was selected for the Grand Jury pool for this entire year. Service is for the entire quarter(3 months), and four panels serve throughout the year. You serve full time 4 days per week for the entire 3 month period. Fortunately you can decline to serve. I wouldn't mind doing it, but just don't have the luxury of taking time off to do it this year. They still contact me once per quarter and offer it up. One perk was you get your own parking spot in a garage next to the courthouse that you get to use whenever you want, so it would have been nice to have a free park downtown, but not for what it would have cost me in lost business.
sarge43
(28,945 posts)More than that and you were caught running your mouth, things would not go well.
More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)Which makes me think that we're hearing about it now only because subpoenas are being issued. Once that happens, people start talking. So secrecy isn't much of an issue.
Exciting days (and weeks, and months) ahead.
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,754 posts)But of course we were not supposed to talk about the proceedings.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)were checked then I was interviewed by a two superior court judges and 3 other court officials. There were 26 of us chosen but only 19 are on the jury. We were then selected by random drawing and sworn in.
Our job is to investigate complaints against local governments. If we find something that looks criminal it goes to the DA and then to a criminal grand jury if there is evidence of a crime.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)I just spent two years on my county's Civil Grand Jury. One of the most rewarding things I've ever done, even if it was one of the lowest paying. I am retired so I had the time to do it.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)If you are a registered voter you can be picked to serve on a Federal Grand Jury or Jury. I live in Northern Virginia and I received a notice stating that I had been selected for Jury Duty in the Eastern District Court of Virginia which is located in Alexandria Va. I had to call a number every day for 2 weeks. I was never selected to serve.
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)The district I was supposed to go to was located in Winston-Salem- The notice also told me to call every two weeks. But when I got my final notice to appear there was a blizzard that had crippled most of North Carolina. They let me off the jury b/c of the driving conditions. Personally, I wouldn't mind serving on one.
PJMcK
(22,050 posts)In New York, when you register to vote, you're put on the potential jury list. I believe there are other registrations that also trigger being put on the lists, (i.e., driver's license, etc.).
When you're called for duty, it will be for either grand jury or petit jury. The former functions secretly to bring indictments and the latter openly to hear criminal and civil cases.
I've served on two criminal cases and one civil case. We found the defendants guilty in the first case and not guilty in the second. In the civil case, the parties came to a settlement just before we were to be charged for deliberations. I have not served on a grand jury but friends and colleagues who have done so have said that it's an awesome responsibility and the prosecutors are always very professional and prepared.
Should you ever get called, I encourage you to serve! It's part of our pact as a civil society and it's good citizenship.
onlyadream
(2,168 posts)now my youngest is about to turn 18 and I can't imagine him on a jury. Lol, he's smart as a whip, but he looks like he's 14.
I served two more times since then.
sarge43
(28,945 posts)Get the notice, show up, rules are explained, asked if you have any valid reason why you can't serve, scheduled outlined, see ya. I can't give any more detail because I did have valid reason to be excused.
herding cats
(19,568 posts)They sent me a notification in the mail I was summoned and had to show of for the selection process. Then I was selected like a regular juror.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I think it was through voter rolls. The term lasted 18 months. We drove to the federal courthouse one to two times a month depending on how busy the docket was.
Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)They call for potential grand jurors from the same pool as jurors for cases going to trial. I believe the federal court in Manhattan uses the same source of potential jurors.
One difference in the process that I went through is that unlike regular (petit) jurors, they were not concerned with your background, as long as you were a citizen and lived in the right county in NYS etc. Usually, there's no way to know what the cases will be about in advance, so there's nothing specific to screen for in advance. IIRC, we were told to notify the ADA presenting the case if someone appeared to give testimony, and we realized that we had a connection to the person. In such a case, you would not vote. The full GJ was comprised of 23 people; at least 16 needed to be there to hear a case presentation. 12 votes were needed to secure an indictment.
We served for a half day every day for 4 weeks. The time I served was a long time ago when there was more crime: they had 8 separate GJs going that month for Manhattan alone.
The federal grand jury process may vary, of course.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)met biweekly for a year.
nycbos
(6,038 posts)Same with regular jury duty.
But the overwhelming majority of jury summons are for regular jury duty.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)He was on it for a loooong time. I think he heard different cases.
marlakay
(11,498 posts)but I was single mom at time no child support so my boss wrote me a letter saying it would be a financial hardship and he needed me.
I sort of wished I could sounded interesting. Its a year commitment though.
iscooterliberally
(2,863 posts)She was sent a letter in the mail, just like normal state jury duty. She showed up and answered all the questions honestly and was selected. She served only on Thursdays for those 18 months. The lawyers and the judge liked her panel so they were extended for extra time. She told me that they actually tossed out quite a few cases and told the lawyers and detectives that they needed more evidence to proceed. Many times they would come back with more evidence and then try again. Most of what she did was drug related. I have been called up a few times, but only served on two juries. My service was for the state though. I was picked twice in Florida. I got called up when I lived in Massachusetts, but I was not chosen for any jury.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)volstork
(5,403 posts)since the minute he was born. It's just that he 's dragged the rest of us in with him. WE will get out; he won't...
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Talk about I's dotted and T's crossed,never any grey areas. Always laugh when we see stories questioning Fed Grand Juries.
gademocrat7
(10,670 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,630 posts)(a special grand jury no less) interviews people knowing the answers already. Also, the people being interviewed do NOT have their lawyer present! It is very intimidating and scares the shit out of the peers and co-workers who may have to go in soon themselves.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)After the prosecutors did the their thing.
No defense lawyers allowed which I can understand, but it's not a trial and an indictment is not a conviction. But an indictment does help cases in trials.
The grand jury is also a check on the prosecutors as well. We got to ask some serious questions of them, too.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)and slowly realizing how much the Feds know.
and they will lie, automatically, just as Daddy does.
which will get them instant new charges, as they dig deeper and deeper and deeper.
Ahhhh.....some days are just chock full of pleasure....
GopherGal
(2,010 posts)... but I was NOT a "person of interest".
My understanding was that the jurors and prosecutors were bound by secrecy, but we witnesses were not.
I was not allowed to have a lawyer with me in the room, but was told I would be allowed to request a recess to confer with my lawyer (who was just outside).
Unlike in a jury trial, the grand jurors themselves were allowed to ask questions and I was told beforehand that they would be allowed to ask questions that might not be allowed at a trial. (One of the questions I got from a grand juror was basically asking me to speculate...My years of watching TV courtroom dramas made me imagine a defense attorney leaping to his/her feet shouting "Objection!"
I could see how that set-up could be very intimidating to a witness who had something on their conscience or who knew something detrimental to a "target" they liked.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)It hears only the prosecution's case. Indictments are almost always automatic.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Historic NY
(37,453 posts)or longer if necessary. A witness can be recalled at any time either to be impeached or to offer further testimony. This GJ will run for some time into 2018 or longer.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)We didn't get paid a lot, but I felt it was my civic duty money or not. It was definitely a learning experience.
C Moon
(12,221 posts)the judge gave in, and said, "Okay. I'll let you out of this case; but I'll see to it that you're put in for a grand jury casewhere you'll sit for months on end and listen to boring financial data.
I know this case won't be like that, but since then, each time I think of being chosen for a grand jury, I cringe.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)assault on a police officer. We acquitted the defendant which was a shock to the police department. It was a great experience and the folks I sat with on the jury took their jobs very seriously and that impressed me. I just filled out a lengthy questionnaire for Federal Grand Jury service that was sent to me in the mail. Scares me to death to think I'd be picked...we run a family owned business and it would be so hard to be away from work for an extended period of time. Still, it would be fascinating!
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,754 posts)about 30 years ago. Our initial term was for one year, but we knew it might be extended and it was. So our total time was about 15 months. When I was first called to jury selection, I was in a room with probably 500 people in it and when they explained about the grand jury process and that 23 (I believe) jurors would be picked, I figured - I'm pretty lucky what are my odds of getting picked, not too good. Well guess what - I got picked The judge that was selecting jurors said we needed a representative section of society and he did not let people off easily. He said the only people who could get out of it were those who were taking care of someone that another person could not take care of. One man was a self-employed hair salon owner and he had to leave his business one week of every month. I was working in a clerical job at the time. Jury pay was about $30 a day plus transportation costs. It is illegal for your employer to fire you if you are on a grand jury but they do not have to pay you either, for the time that you are not there. Fortunately my employer did pay the difference between my daily pay and the $30 payment from the jury. So I was not out of pocket During our term we were on call one week out of every month for about 15 months. Many days we got to go home early though. And some days we were not required to come, but we would never know that until the night before, usually.
Before we began serving we were admonished not to become a rubberstamp for the prosecutors. But you have to understand that this is a very one-sided thing. Nobody gets to defend themselves or have lawyers in the room to help them defend themselves, and the juries are getting all their information from the prosecutors, so in nearly every case, we did indict. I only remember one time when all of the jurors were very skeptical of what we had been told. The prosecutors must've sensed this because,suddenly we didn't have the case anymore and we were told it was taken before a different grand jury. So they can do that, Keep going before different juries until they get the results they want.
We were all glad when it was over, as you can probably guess. But I have to say it was a good experience. Most of the cases we're pretty boring but there were a couple that were very interesting.
Over the years I have been called for jury duty for petit juries several times. I would really like to sit on one, because on a federal grand jury you never get to see the final outcome. But I have never been selected. I suspect it's because defense attorneys don't want somebody who has been on a federal grand jury that probably indicted several people over their term of service.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)your grand jury experience! Very interesting indeed. And, welcome to DU.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)It is not a regular process of both sides of an argument. That is what I heard.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Witnesses cannot bring their lawyers. All we heard was from the prosecutors and the evidence they presented. In all the cases we heard, only one we did not indict. There wasn't enough to convince us.
All the other times, it was pretty strong.
Also, an indictment is not a conviction. So at trial, an indictment can mean nothing after the defense gets done.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)I learn a lot on DU.
sarge43
(28,945 posts)The purpose of a GJ is to determine whether or not there's sufficient evidence to warrant a trial. If the jury determines that there isn't, that's it. If it does, trial.
freddyvh
(276 posts)but since she was going thru chemo at the time, they tore up her notice
bora13
(860 posts)has someone watching to find out who these jurors are.
from his point of view, this ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no fooling around.
gotta imagine he will stop at nothing underhanded and criminal to halt all this.
VermontKevin
(1,473 posts)They are too expensive.
CanonRay
(14,118 posts)I had one "no bill" in 23 years.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)FakeNoose
(32,767 posts)So, other 70 year-old billionaires who also believe in white supremacy?
Asking for a friend.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Grateful to be any part of taking down DT.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)This is just to issue the subpoenas, though, another poster said.
neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)It was a national news case, and they were empaneled for months. I was a child, I don't know much. But. My understanding is that there was, indeed, a whole stinking pile of evidence.
It was not a game. It was seriously real.
Edited to add: in the case she served on, there were indictments, and subsequent guilty verdicts in the actual criminal trial.
Books_Tea_Alone
(253 posts)Fed grand juries have like a 99% indictment rate. They do not go that route unless that have irrefutable evidence, especially at this level. Here's hoping they all go down, especially the evil spawn.
ALBliberal
(2,344 posts)Warpy
(111,352 posts)That means Junior and his fuckwit daddy don't get to say "no, I don't wanna."
xmas74
(29,676 posts)I won't even be able to enter a federal building, nonetheless serve on a federal grand jury. The idiots in Jeff City are dragging their feet about our ID.
crazylikafox
(2,762 posts)It was local, not federal. But I served for 4 months. We looked at around 15 cases a day. We only declined to return an indictment one one case in all that time.
Tanuki
(14,921 posts)months, if I remember correctly (it was many years ago). She regarded it as a civic duty and didn't mind doing it, but asked if they would schedule her over the summer since she was a public school teacher. They ended up starting her jury period on the second day of the next school year.
That's encouraging. I don't know a lot about Grand Juries - how they are impaneled and how they operate. I assume they go on their daily lives except when in session, which is secret..
The Blue Flower
(5,444 posts)I'm so thankful Mueller has done this.