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edhopper

(33,635 posts)
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 09:05 AM Aug 2017

John Kelly is not a good man

His tenure at DHS has been one of cruelty and indifference to suffering.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/how-can-kelly-save-trump-when-he-was-a-human-rights-disaster-at-homeland-security-20170806.html

The unsupported Kelly hagiography ignores the testimony of those such as the ICE agent who last month bared his soul to the New Yorker magazine. The agent told the magazine that he wasn’t a fan of micromanagement and some policies during the Obama years, but now he was appalled at what was happening at the agency under Kelly and Trump. Things such as basic humane discretion, or simply calling an interpreter to resolve a problem, he says, have been tossed out the window because “[t]he problem is that now there are lots of people who feel free to feel contempt.” The agent said he struggled to understand a policy change to deport children who had been placed in U.S. homes and given an education, only because they had turned 18 and were now legally adults. “We’re doing it because we can,” the unnamed agent told the magazine, “and it bothers the hell out of me.”
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John Kelly is not a good man (Original Post) edhopper Aug 2017 OP
Perfectly suited to Team Trump. NT enough Aug 2017 #1
exactly joeybee12 Aug 2017 #2
Yes, unfortunately. Laurian Aug 2017 #13
K and R BadgerMom Aug 2017 #3
What kind of treatment do enemies, er citizens expect? lunatica Aug 2017 #4
That is true..he is not a good man. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #5
anyone who accepts a position with trump Marthe48 Aug 2017 #6
+100 gordianot Aug 2017 #7
+ another 100 Duppers Aug 2017 #9
And he's not going to refuse orders to launch nukes either nt maryellen99 Aug 2017 #8
See that's where Kelly comes in FakeNoose Aug 2017 #23
Mattis is. Alice11111 Aug 2017 #26
Right, after hearing about Kelly's DHS talk there's no doubt he's an asshole too uponit7771 Aug 2017 #10
That was my first reaction when he was named to his new post. Laurian Aug 2017 #11
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2017 #12
"unsupported Kelly hagiography" - *nails* it. UTUSN Aug 2017 #14
History has lots of other military men (hench-men) who were just "following orders" NotMyFuhrer Aug 2017 #15
K & R n/t Heartstrings Aug 2017 #16
Clue Number 1 that he is not a good man Bettie Aug 2017 #17
He's a Republican Thrill Aug 2017 #18
If drumpf likes anyone, he's either a total sadist & racist hater and/or lark Aug 2017 #19
k UTUSN Aug 2017 #20
this is not a surprise. some of us remember his service record. AND, he willingly CHOSE niyad Aug 2017 #21
Kick. dalton99a Aug 2017 #22
K&R. More than not good. He is evil lunamagica Aug 2017 #24
He will probably become DTs new BFF w those ethics, lack Alice11111 Aug 2017 #25
 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
2. exactly
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 09:11 AM
Aug 2017

Even people here have bought the lies about the fact that he's nothing more than a racist dirtbag

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
4. What kind of treatment do enemies, er citizens expect?
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 09:35 AM
Aug 2017

Some Generals see everyone as people to kill because they're The Enemy, or Collateral Damage, or Soft Civilians getting in the way.

Marthe48

(17,042 posts)
6. anyone who accepts a position with trump
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 09:50 AM
Aug 2017

isn't going to have the values needed to run a benign government. If the russians have influenced repugs from Abramoff forward, it's going to be hard to find a repuke that doesn't want to hammer down with an iron fist. Right now, it is all love of agenda, not love of country or defense of Constitution.

FakeNoose

(32,791 posts)
23. See that's where Kelly comes in
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:10 PM
Aug 2017

If Cheeto tries to push the nuke button, I believe Kelly (or one of the other Generals) will take out his gun and shoot him. I don't think those Generals will stand by and watch Trump start World War 3. They're at least sane and they know Trump is crazy.



Laurian

(2,593 posts)
11. That was my first reaction when he was named to his new post.
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 10:49 AM
Aug 2017

So many (media, pundits, people in general) seemed to think his appointment would mark a turning point and improve WH operations, but I've had reservations all along based on his tenure at DHS.

 

NotMyFuhrer

(58 posts)
15. History has lots of other military men (hench-men) who were just "following orders"
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 10:59 AM
Aug 2017

He is used to following orders! There is little excuse for his support of the Muslim ban, his many apologies for Trumps actions, and aggressive (competent) execution of the agenda given to him.

History has lots of other military men (hench-men) who claimed that they were just “following orders”.

Nuerenberg disproved that as an excuse!




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Bettie

(16,130 posts)
17. Clue Number 1 that he is not a good man
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 11:10 AM
Aug 2017

he works for Trump.

Good people do not work with or for that creature.

lark

(23,160 posts)
19. If drumpf likes anyone, he's either a total sadist & racist hater and/or
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 12:00 PM
Aug 2017

he's also in hock to Russia and he's been told to promote them by his master, Putin.

niyad

(113,598 posts)
21. this is not a surprise. some of us remember his service record. AND, he willingly CHOSE
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 01:45 PM
Aug 2017

to work with the orange madman. case closed.

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