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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:16 PM Aug 2017

Pierce: "This is flat fcking crazy."

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a56892/trump-north-korea-fire-fury/


This Is What You Voted For

Reflections on President* Trump's latest comments about North Korea.
By Charles P. Pierce
Aug 8, 2017


LINCOLN, NEBRASKA—Since I am presently located in proximity to god alone knows how many nuclear missiles, I am forced to take very seriously the latest evidence that the president* of the United States has left whatever hinges he ever had far, far behind.

This is flat fcking crazy. From ABC News:

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. He has been very threatening - beyond a normal statement - and as I said they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which the world has never seen before."

“They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.” - Trump on North Korea threats https://t.co/ZhcnVU4zVQ pic.twitter.com/03xLnOihwl

— Colin Jones (@colinjones) August 8, 2017


This is the way Saddam Hussein used to talk, or the way some 12-year old gamer crows after reaching Level 900 of Nuclear Zombies In Heat. To hear the president* of the United States spout off like this has the potential to have half the world hiding in the basement. For me, I'm going to walk carefully around here for a couple of days. You can never tell what might pop out of the ground.

We will be lucky to live through this.
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Pierce: "This is flat fcking crazy." (Original Post) babylonsister Aug 2017 OP
As I watched the news and saw the N. Korean missiles a thought occurred to me. BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #1
Possible? volstork Aug 2017 #11
Nuke envy notdarkyet Aug 2017 #13
Kim Jong Un vs Won Dum Phuc alterfurz Aug 2017 #14
That is the most vulgar thing I've seen in ages and Ilsa Aug 2017 #28
Thank you Ilsa. murielm99 Aug 2017 #43
Exactly. I wonder how many hours (Days? Weeks?) Ilsa Aug 2017 #45
No, really, it deserves its own thread. nt Ilsa Aug 2017 #29
Those missiles...... SergeStorms Aug 2017 #59
EXCEPT they should be 2 tiny, droopy limp nukies. pangaia Aug 2017 #61
Congress already fixed the problem of him pushing the button. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2017 #2
I don't think that is true Egnever Aug 2017 #8
I was listening to CNN this morning talk about this very topic. lark Aug 2017 #58
No they didn't. former9thward Aug 2017 #32
I've heard that spike jones Aug 2017 #33
I laughed. CrispyQ Aug 2017 #49
I'm not surprised that we are now getting this kind of posturing jimlup Aug 2017 #3
The Chinese leaders are perfectly sane. Their goals and worldview are not ours. Ditto Putin. Hekate Aug 2017 #46
I disagree. The kind of behavior displayed by Chinese leaders pangaia Aug 2017 #62
Russia pops off nukes on Mexico, how would the US react? Cosmocat Aug 2017 #51
I'm not giving an opinion jimlup Aug 2017 #63
Anyone doubt he might start a war to distract from the Mueller investigation? DesertRat Aug 2017 #4
I think it's a real possibility. The ultimate distraction. notdarkyet Aug 2017 #15
It worked for Shrub shanti Aug 2017 #30
"Fire and Fury" does sound eerily close to "Shock and Awe" DesertRat Aug 2017 #44
I am going to be optimistic and assume B2G Aug 2017 #5
two fat men with outsize egos Brainstormy Aug 2017 #6
Where's the "Hillary" spotlight protecting Gotham when you need it? ffr Aug 2017 #7
It is terrifying mcar Aug 2017 #9
Crickets from the GOP. Should be criminal irresponsibility. nt wiggs Aug 2017 #10
they are all paying bora13 Aug 2017 #12
John McCain did respond: Stonepounder Aug 2017 #16
He assumes that the Trump WH is capable of considering all the alternatives and coming up with wiggs Aug 2017 #24
Graham's statement: CrispyQ Aug 2017 #50
Hey dipshit Cosmocat Aug 2017 #53
Trump's hard core are loving it Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2017 #17
"Them or us".....riiiigghhhttt... LisaM Aug 2017 #19
These comments always come from people who don't have to go fight Thrill Aug 2017 #20
And in response NK just threatened Guam. This is madness. nolabear Aug 2017 #18
Trump got himself elected, that's how Hekate Aug 2017 #47
It will be the mother of all battles. TeamPooka Aug 2017 #21
Trump's destruction MUST be the "THE LIKES OF WHICH THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN." E.G.O. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #22
Everything with Trump... maddiemom Aug 2017 #27
Well, he surely is "The Grestest Asshole US President" the world has ever seen! n/t Kleveland Aug 2017 #52
Hey Trump, we won't see it cause we'll all be dead. SummerSnow Aug 2017 #41
I feel sorry for the world, but especially for South Koreans n2doc Aug 2017 #23
Way to give Kim the importance and consequence he craves! maddiemom Aug 2017 #25
I am so flat fucking sick MuseRider Aug 2017 #26
There is no controlling him. Ilsa Aug 2017 #37
"His generals" need to get a handle on this situation. THey need to japple Aug 2017 #31
They have to ask Jared first SummerSnow Aug 2017 #42
MAGA better get their asses into uniforms when the nukes hit. Historic NY Aug 2017 #34
The 25th Amendment Needs Ccarmona Aug 2017 #35
Agreed Ccarmona yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #38
Agreed. NT Ilsa Aug 2017 #39
The CIA's option will be faster n/m RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #40
What? No Shock and awe this time? spike jones Aug 2017 #36
But no one will act outside of rule of law. CrispyQ Aug 2017 #48
Trump reminded me of Jules in "Pulp Fiction" reciting Ezekiel 25:17 no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #54
Imagine the world leaders seeing this and wondering WTF!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #55
thank you babylon saidsimplesimon Aug 2017 #56
trump is an insane piece of garbage snort Aug 2017 #57
he needs to get his a$$ out of the WH and out bdamomma Aug 2017 #60

BigmanPigman

(51,623 posts)
1. As I watched the news and saw the N. Korean missiles a thought occurred to me.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:22 PM
Aug 2017

They visually resemble what the two leaders obviously lack, anatomically speaking. Is it possible that two adult immature, crazy men can suffer from penis envy?

volstork

(5,403 posts)
11. Possible?
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:19 PM
Aug 2017

I would say it is guaranteed. Most likely neither one of them can even SEE theirs beyond their bellies...

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
28. That is the most vulgar thing I've seen in ages and
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:20 PM
Aug 2017

I'm dying laughing cuz I love it and I'm going to steal it.

murielm99

(30,755 posts)
43. Thank you Ilsa.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:56 PM
Aug 2017

"Sometimes vulgar is the only answer. There is nothing more vulgar than threatening to kill the entire human race. Seriously.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
59. Those missiles......
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 02:16 PM
Aug 2017

ARE WAYYYYYY TOO BIG!

At least in proportion to the rest of their adipose bodies.

Those are two of the most horrible, unloved, unwanted beings on the planet.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. Congress already fixed the problem of him pushing the button.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:26 PM
Aug 2017

`They worked together and changed the procedure, he is many people removed from making things go boom.

I read about it, it was one of those stories that got buried under whatever hell outrage he created at the time.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
8. I don't think that is true
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:55 PM
Aug 2017

It's possible but it would be foolish despite this clown in the white house. When nukes are launched supposedly there is something like 6 minutes to react. You can't be trying to run people down in those six minutes.

lark

(23,147 posts)
58. I was listening to CNN this morning talk about this very topic.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 01:05 PM
Aug 2017

One of drumpf's generals was on and he said the process is designed to move with lightening speed and if Drumpf pushes that button, the nukes will go, there's no one reviewing his orders, they just implement them.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
3. I'm not surprised that we are now getting this kind of posturing
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:32 PM
Aug 2017

Their plan is to use war as the 2nd resort once "sanctions" appear to fail. That will probably happen and we probably will go to war. It could go nuclear.

The real seriousness of the situation globally (assuming you don't live on the Korean peninsula where it will be plenty serious) is the question of how China will react. That will be critical.

How sane are the Chinese leaders? i know more sane than the Orange Clown, that's a given, but all and all how solid are they?

Hekate

(90,773 posts)
46. The Chinese leaders are perfectly sane. Their goals and worldview are not ours. Ditto Putin.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 08:15 PM
Aug 2017

Lawrence Wilkerson also points out the Kim dynasty has been and is sane. Their goals and worldview are not ours.

The only insane leader in this whole equation is Donald Trump. Lucky us.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
62. I disagree. The kind of behavior displayed by Chinese leaders
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 03:36 PM
Aug 2017

is no more sane than trump or Kim, or putin, or most republicans. and.. perhaps most/many human beings.
It is just a matter of degree.

One of the ways RUMI used the term "insane" referred to being totally and fully in love... with God....which demands conscious awareness.

This meaning of insane is just the opposite, lack of self-awareness, lack of any consciousness. Sleep.

That is my view.

Cosmocat

(14,568 posts)
51. Russia pops off nukes on Mexico, how would the US react?
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:41 AM
Aug 2017

Not slamming you, but this is the simple ass shit that should have been on the assholes minds in November who 1) voted shit gibbon 2) didn't vote Hillary.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
63. I'm not giving an opinion
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 05:04 PM
Aug 2017

It would still be irrational for China escalate the situation if the US attacks. They might, I just don't know. I would argue that they are culturally closer to North Korea than we are to Mexico. A better analogy might be the China attacking Canada. How would the US react? Mutual defense treaties aside, I would recommend sober caution rather than bellicose military action.

Again, I'm not giving an opinion. I am very much against this aggressive posturing. I'm trying to game out in my mind what would really happen but my opinion remains unwavering. Trump's statements yesterday were dangerous and reckless.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
5. I am going to be optimistic and assume
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:35 PM
Aug 2017

He's referring to a threat as in a missile hitting US soil.

Because honestly, if that happens, all bets are off.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
7. Where's the "Hillary" spotlight protecting Gotham when you need it?
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:43 PM
Aug 2017

Someone break the glass and pull the handle before 4 billion people lose their lives almost instantly.

bora13

(860 posts)
12. they are all paying
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:25 PM
Aug 2017

their church all the back-tithes they owe because they believe
that their long awaited second-coming is coming.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
16. John McCain did respond:
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:37 PM
Aug 2017

Sen. John McCain said Tuesday that President Trump should not threaten North Korea with "fire and fury" unless he is prepared to carry out those threats.

"The great leaders I've seen don't threaten unless they're ready to act, and I'm not sure President Trump is ready to act," McCain told the Arizona radio station KTAR. "I take exception to the president's comments because you got to be sure you can do what you say you're going to do."

wiggs

(7,817 posts)
24. He assumes that the Trump WH is capable of considering all the alternatives and coming up with
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:13 PM
Aug 2017

a reasoned strategy that's not insane or incompetent or that creates worse unintended consequences. McCain just wants action and it sounds like he's goading the WH.

The point that congresspeople should be making over and over screaming at the tops of their lungs is that they/we have no faith that the WH has its act together enough to juggle the thousand moving parts involved in a world crisis in order to come up with the best path forward. Congress allowing the WH to bumble through an international incident with millions of lives at stake is not OK...is my point.

CrispyQ

(36,501 posts)
50. Graham's statement:
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:37 AM
Aug 2017
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/graham-says-trump-would-go-to-war-to-stop-north-korea/

snip...

"President Trump has basically drawn a red line saying he'll never allow North Korea to have an ICBM missile that can hit America with a nuclear weapon on top, he's not going to let that happen, he's not going to contain the threat, he's going to stop the threat," Graham told "CBS This Morning" on Thursday.

Speaking from Clemson, South Carolina, the Republican said two scenarios in which the U.S. would act with force would be if "they attack Guam or some other American interest or our allies, or if they try to keep developing an ICBM."

He added that he feels the U.S. will head toward war with the North "unless the world can stop North Korea", saying Mr. Trump will "pick homeland defense over regional stability and he has to."


Cosmocat

(14,568 posts)
53. Hey dipshit
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:43 AM
Aug 2017

(Graham).

Get a map and look what country sits on the northern border of NK.

As yourself what the US would do if Russia started shit with Mexico?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,032 posts)
17. Trump's hard core are loving it
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:42 PM
Aug 2017

Three in a row from the first 20 I looked at:

Unfortunately, the bleeding heart liberals need to remember, it’s them or us.

8 posted on 2017-08-08, 5:00:25 PM by tuffydoodle ("Never underestimate the total depravity of the average human being.")


Go Trump. At some point, if a country repeatedly threatens to nuke you, and they are building nukes at a breakneck speed, you have to consider squashing the bug outright.

9 posted on 2017-08-08, 5:00:28 PM by TroutGuy


I’m sure we do, but the threat is nuclear.
The only proper response is nuclear................

10 posted on 2017-08-08, 5:00:41 PM by Red Badger


LisaM

(27,827 posts)
19. "Them or us".....riiiigghhhttt...
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:58 PM
Aug 2017

They somehow can't see the possibility of the third option - both them AND us?

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
27. Everything with Trump...
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:20 PM
Aug 2017

in politics, national and international affairs, election victory, chocolate cake is the GREATEST that the world has ever seen...as long as it involves Trump in ANY way.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
23. I feel sorry for the world, but especially for South Koreans
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:09 PM
Aug 2017

I can't imagine the level of fear they must be going though, sandwiched between two madmen.

MuseRider

(34,115 posts)
26. I am so flat fucking sick
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:19 PM
Aug 2017

of being yanked around by this guy. I do not think any of us deserve this constant state of agitation and now maybe fear? Who knows? What will we wake up to? This has to stop. Please get this president under control.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
37. There is no controlling him.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:30 PM
Aug 2017

He's 71. He won't change his ways. He needs to be removed from office. Now. However they can make it happen. Hell, offer him $5 million to resign. It'll be worth it.

Yeah, I hear you. Every day we all suffer from heightened stress hormones because of this son of a bitch. I bet cancer rates go sky high, along with neurological disorders because of him jerking us around.

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
34. MAGA better get their asses into uniforms when the nukes hit.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:27 PM
Aug 2017

Note: the service won't take the poorly educated either.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
35. The 25th Amendment Needs
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:28 PM
Aug 2017

To be invoked immediately to remove the Madman from office. Trump is totally batshit crazy and needs to go NOW!!!

yuiyoshida

(41,836 posts)
38. Agreed Ccarmona
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:31 PM
Aug 2017

Cnn HAS A reporter in Honolulu talking about North Korea striking Hawaii and it would take 20 minutes after launch before a strike.

CrispyQ

(36,501 posts)
48. But no one will act outside of rule of law.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:13 AM
Aug 2017

Even though the Con & the GOP both act outside the law. Even though the Con is the biggest threat to our national security right now. If the Con starts a war, lots of people who currently oppose him, including a big share of the media, will line up behind him, waving their flags. A ton of citizens love when the US stomps around the planet showing everyone how tough we (think we) are.

no_hypocrisy

(46,160 posts)
54. Trump reminded me of Jules in "Pulp Fiction" reciting Ezekiel 25:17
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:44 AM
Aug 2017

when he started with that BS of "fury", "fire", "power", and "the likes of which the world has never seen".

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
56. thank you babylon
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:46 AM
Aug 2017

We survived the "shock and awe" of the last Republican presidents' misadventures. This is worse, far worse. Peace be with you

bdamomma

(63,918 posts)
60. he needs to get his a$$ out of the WH and out
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 02:29 PM
Aug 2017

of this country, in Europe or other countries his ass would have been long gone.

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