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skip fox

(19,359 posts)
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:50 PM Aug 2017

Why do Trump's lawyers imply there was an exchange of messages between Trump and Mueller?

Look at this piece in USA Today:

<snip>

. . . through his lawyer, Trump has sent private messages of "appreciation" to special counsel Robert Mueller.

"He appreciates what Bob Mueller is doing,'' Trump's chief counsel John Dowd told USA TODAY in an interview Tuesday. "He asked me to share that with him and that's what I've done.''

Trump's legal team has been in contact with Mueller's office, and Dowd says he has passed along the president's messages expressing appreciation and greetings to the special counsel.

The president has sent messages back and forth, Dowd said, declining to elaborate further.

<snip>

Dowd's statement implies an exchange, but the syntax "Trump has sent messages back and forth," implicates only a single sender, Trump's team.

Why are they implying a cordial exchange? Do they think this will dissuade Mueller? No. They are smart lawyers. (Though Trump might think he can schmooze Mueller like the con-man he has always been, and they could be working purely from his behest, knowing his hope is hollow.)

Are they trying to imply that Mueller has friendly feelings for Trump so they can can later portray him as a lying, back-stabbing hypocrite when he finds what he eventually will? Does Trump think that would help anger his base, re-energize his flagging polls, and frighten the Republican Congress and Senate from impeaching Trump despite Mueller's report?

A Hail Mary, perhaps?

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Why do Trump's lawyers imply there was an exchange of messages between Trump and Mueller? (Original Post) skip fox Aug 2017 OP
Have mercy... kentuck Aug 2017 #1
I don't undestand. skip fox Aug 2017 #3
I think he's fishing for a hint of what Mueller might have on him? kentuck Aug 2017 #5
Trying to get a 'technicallity' on the case. SummerSnow Aug 2017 #2
I agree. I can't imagine Mueller reaponding except in the most cursory, professional fashion. skip fox Aug 2017 #4
".. and he's looking for a little "mercy". pangaia Aug 2017 #11
Every Don knows to keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Trust Buster Aug 2017 #6
It would be unethical choie Aug 2017 #7
Did he ask him to pledge his loyalty? kentuck Aug 2017 #8
Another great idea. skip fox Aug 2017 #10
I seriously doubt that Mueller is responding back. avebury Aug 2017 #9
Ari Melber on MSNBC just spent the A block on this and skip fox Aug 2017 #13
I do not know if there is a legal definition of "back and forth". My OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #12
I think Trump is confusing "exchanging notes" with "getting subpoenas" TeamPooka Aug 2017 #14

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
3. I don't undestand.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:58 PM
Aug 2017

I was trying to analyze a piece of news. Why else would Trump imply an exchange?

Might this not shine a light on his strategy? Is that not worth contemplating?

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
5. I think he's fishing for a hint of what Mueller might have on him?
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:00 PM
Aug 2017

and he's looking for a little "mercy"..

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
2. Trying to get a 'technicallity' on the case.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 05:57 PM
Aug 2017

I don't know if that is the word I'm looking for. Also, I don't think Mueller would have any dialogue with Trump until he is subpoenaed

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
4. I agree. I can't imagine Mueller reaponding except in the most cursory, professional fashion.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:00 PM
Aug 2017

That's why I wondered why they were implying an exchange.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
11. ".. and he's looking for a little "mercy".
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:09 PM
Aug 2017

Bingo.

Like the bully who has been caught and is about to get his comeuppance.

Oh, please don't hit me, please please.. you're really a nice fella. I didn't mean it. really I didn't please, oh please..

choie

(4,111 posts)
7. It would be unethical
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:02 PM
Aug 2017

for Mueller to be contacting or responding to Trumo as he is a target of the investigation. Maybe Trump and lawyers are attempting to imply impropriety on Mueller's part.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
9. I seriously doubt that Mueller is responding back.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:05 PM
Aug 2017

He is far too smart and ethical to allow Trump to mess around with him.

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
13. Ari Melber on MSNBC just spent the A block on this and
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:23 PM
Aug 2017

one panelist said that attorneys on opposing sides of a case are commonly in contact. Another seemed to object, saying something like this is might apply with lawyer-to-lawyer, not prosecutor-to-lawyer.

From watching Law and Order, I assume there might be the barest of contacts on technical matters. And certainly any communication between investigator and potential defendant while the investigation in sunder process prior to formal interviews would be of only the most technical matters.

The question, then, might usefully be rephrased like this: Why does Trump's lawyer imply a cordial exchange beyond the technical?

My original speculation might be right (so Mueller can be portrayed as betraying Trump, angering Trump's base and frightening the Congress and Senate away from impeachment) but I also like choie's idea that he's implying Mueller is compromised.

I just had another: Maybe his lawyers are trying to carefully monitor where Mueller's investigation is at every stage so that Trump will know when to fire Mueller or demand he limit his investigation to non-financial matters.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
12. I do not know if there is a legal definition of "back and forth". My
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:10 PM
Aug 2017

guess is there is not and Cheeto's lawyers are counting on that. They want gullible people to believe that Mueller actually responded, much the same as Comey supposedly told him he was not the target. No way in hell did Mueller respond w/ anything other than "email received". That is the extent of the back and forth and sufficient to fit into the legal definition, if there is one.

TeamPooka

(24,242 posts)
14. I think Trump is confusing "exchanging notes" with "getting subpoenas"
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 06:25 PM
Aug 2017

"Oh look, I got another note from Bob. He wants me to send him all my files on Russia. He's such a big fan of mine."

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