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Coventina

(27,172 posts)
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 04:21 PM Aug 2017

The latest from the front lines of the opioid insanity

A good friend of mine has severe pain from a degenerative disease in his hip that he's had since his early teen years.
One leg is significantly shorter than the other.

He's been taking massive doses of ibuprofen for decades, along with some opioids when things get really rough.

Well, now he has kidney problems. His kidney doctor told him NO MORE IBUPROFEN! Stick to opioids only!

Problem is, she can't prescribe them, since she's not treating his hip issues, just his kidneys. Guess what? The hip doctor won't up his opioids because that would threaten her license now.

So, as usual, chronic pain sufferers lose.

This anti-opioid crap is OUT OF CONTROL!

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maveric

(16,445 posts)
2. Sounds kinda like my story.
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 04:29 PM
Aug 2017

I'll spare you some of the details.
Now they've put me on seizure meds for back/spinal pain, Arthritis and nerve damage from an amputation accident. I'm still in severe pain and walk around zombified from the "alternative" meds.
Doctors think I'm a drug-seeker or selling them. They treat me like shit and refuse to even hear about my conditions.
Fucking sick of this.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
7. I am also on anti-seizure meds for my chronic pain issues.
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 07:58 PM
Aug 2017

This country has gone insane.

Doctors are terrified to help their patients.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
3. Gee, people with legitimate pain needs suffering? WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED THAT?
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 04:31 PM
Aug 2017

Well, the important thing is that we're "gettin' tough" with folks who might be in danger of catching an unauthorized buzz. That's what matters, here.

Next up, more people in prison for taking "too many" pills.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/opinion/punishing-pain.html?_r=0

Warpy

(111,338 posts)
4. Tell him to ask for a referral to a pain service
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 05:01 PM
Aug 2017

Since this whole flapdoodle started, I've had to do the contract, pee in a bottle thing, too. It's silly because I've been on a stable dose of the same damn drug for over 10 years.

There has to be a special hell for antidrug hysterics who lean on pain patients instead of going after the drug companies that hawked the drugs that caused a huge increase in drug dependency.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
5. Yes refer him to a pain clinic ASAP
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 06:25 PM
Aug 2017

I've been going through a pain clinic for seven years now, you have to sign a contract, take urinalysis tests, now and then a blood test, they'll call you in for a pill count now and then to make sure you still have the amounts you were prescribed minus the days since the scrip was filled.

You have to jump through a hoop or two but when you need meds to survive it's no big deal, if your doctor won't refer you to a clinic they aren't doing their job, they're just flippin lazy, they have to protect their license but you shouldn't suffer because of them.

I just read on another post here stating something about only getting a seven day supply at a time, how the fuck are you supposed to travel anywhere with a rule like that?, as usual, the knee jerk response from this gang of fools wasn't thought out for more than their ten second attention span allows.

Disgusting bastards.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
9. That's exactly what this is about.
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 08:14 PM
Aug 2017

We need to completely overhaul our approach to the "drug problem". What we're doing isn't working, hasn't been working, so why would we think that more of the same would work?

Warpy

(111,338 posts)
10. Because a lot of smug men in suits are making a lot of money
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 08:18 PM
Aug 2017

while a lot of out of control thugs get to throw their weight around overseas and attack farmers who are just trying to feed their kids by growing sutff that sells and they're BOTH in bed with the drug gangs.

The whole thing is so ridiculously corrupt it's too far gone to salvage, at all, and I'm completely flummoxed over how to get rid of it without a revolution.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. End the fucking drug war. Stop treating pain patients like criminals. Stop terrorizing doctors.
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 08:27 PM
Aug 2017

Even "cracking down on overprescribing" just drives people to the black market.

Maybe take the high profit motive out of opiates, because the actual stuff itself isn't expensive once all the rigamarole is removed. Same thing with cocaine; it's not the plant and the production that jacks the price up, it's the bullshit around prohibition



.. we need to totally overhaul the whole fucking thing. The whole philosophy behind the idea that the government needs to be in charge of what consenting adults do with their own bodies.

If that means providing safe means for addicts to maintain their addiction until they- and not the "authorities"- decide they're ready for treatment, do that. Adopt a harm reduction approach.

Obviously no answer is perfect but what we're doing now has fallen flat on its face.



Coventina

(27,172 posts)
12. You're my hero!
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 08:29 PM
Aug 2017

Not just fallen on its face, but caused active harm.

Doctors are no longer treating their patients responsibly.

It is insane.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. Yeah... that actually has potential beneficial uses too.
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 08:12 PM
Aug 2017
https://www.bustle.com/articles/161516-4-psychedelic-drugs-that-may-have-therapeutic-benefits


The drug war has failed. And this crazy fucking inquisitional approach has deprived humanity of some of the most powerful tools we have found for personal growth and research into mind and consciousness.

Yes, powerful substances that should not be toyed with lightly. But the bottom line is, peoples' nervous systems don't belong to the government.

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