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IF we retake the House next year and IF Pelosi is chosen Speaker, will impeachment be (Original Post) Atticus Aug 2017 OP
Why would impeachment be off the table? n/t DonaldsRump Aug 2017 #1
Pelosi said it re: Dubya. Girard442 Aug 2017 #2
Because of what Pelosi has said in the past. MoonRiver Aug 2017 #3
I will say this rock Aug 2017 #16
History repeating? WinkyDink Aug 2017 #4
got it. thanks DonaldsRump Aug 2017 #6
Don't you think an illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign country malaise Aug 2017 #28
I disagree about Bush Caliman73 Aug 2017 #30
I don't believe impeachment should be an issue for democrats to run on in 2018 at all but beachbum bob Aug 2017 #5
Agree SharonClark Aug 2017 #9
Oh look... Nonhlanhla Aug 2017 #7
Do you think we'd be able to get the 67 votes in the Senate to remove Trump from office? dawg Aug 2017 #8
Some repugs would flip knowing Pence stands in the wings SharonClark Aug 2017 #10
Yes, if there is smoking gun evidence. n/t DonaldsRump Aug 2017 #11
if trump's approval goes to 30% or less, GOP gonna have to make a call beachbum bob Aug 2017 #12
Let's try to retake the house... Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #13
+10000 nt Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #18
If this, if that. Yeah lets excoriate liberals for things that haven't happened. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #14
Oh goody! A bash Pelosi thread mcar Aug 2017 #15
Last week was Harris' week. Can't wait to who is up next week? GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #20
Nancy's splitting the week with Tom Perez so maybe they'll flow mcar Aug 2017 #21
investigations and oversight will be on the table. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #17
have you given any consideration to WHY she said that? Fresh_Start Aug 2017 #19
what a crock of shit. moda253 Aug 2017 #22
Without the senate impeachment is a waste of time...you need the Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #23
My magic 8 Ball says... Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #24
Wow! All that work to bash Pelosi? *Yawn* Greybnk48 Aug 2017 #25
I actually think the party is the main target, Pelosi Hortensis Aug 2017 #29
That depends on whether the results of Mueller's investigation are sufficient... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2017 #26
Nancy Pelosi has been a strong House Democratic leader. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #27
The other side will use every dirty trick in the book. Plus a few more. lpbk2713 Aug 2017 #31

Girard442

(6,085 posts)
2. Pelosi said it re: Dubya.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 08:11 AM
Aug 2017

Not saying it would have been good to campaign on doing it, but explicitly taking it off the table was a lame move.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
3. Because of what Pelosi has said in the past.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 08:11 AM
Aug 2017

Hopefully, considering the grave risk to not just our country but the entire world, that Rump poses, she would reconsider.

rock

(13,218 posts)
16. I will say this
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 09:27 AM
Aug 2017

The Democratic politicians are always doing things like this that make me think they've got a special deal with the republiCANTs? In the election 2000 I thought that about the Senate, since none of them would support the congressmen who were seeking investigations into the vote counts.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
6. got it. thanks
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 08:32 AM
Aug 2017

IMHO, there is a huge difference between W's stupidity and the Buffoon's treachery. The legal standard for impeachment is the commission of "high crimes or misdemeanors". That phrase seems simple, but the meaning is always debated.

If there is evidence of treason or obstruction of justice in the Buffoon's case, I would think that would be a no brainer for a Democratic House to impeach.

As Gerald Ford famously said in 1970 when leading the failed attempt to impeach Supreme Court Justice William Douglas, an impeachable offense is whatever the majority of the House says it is. It was deeply hypocritical that a few years later, when debating Nixon's impeachment in 1974, the House Judiciary Committee Republicans insisted an impeachable offense had to be a "real" crime or misdemeanor.

If we get back the Congress (specifically the House) and the House doesn't impeach if there is evidence of the Buffoon's collusion, obstruction etc, that would be an outrage to me. By contrast, W was a disaster of another league, but I would view his transgressions as incompetence not amounting to impeachable offense. Regarding W, Pelosi was probably concerned about the precedent of impeaching a President for his/her decision to wage a war, perhaps fearing that could subsequently be used against a Democratic president.

Putting the legal talk aside, the comment the Buffoon made about being happy about what is happening to the US government employees in Russia is shocking and disgusting. I cannot believe that any government official in the US could say this.

LOCK HIM UP!!!

malaise

(269,157 posts)
28. Don't you think an illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign country
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:26 PM
Aug 2017

and violations of the Geneva Convention were impeachable offenses?

The Democratic Party played way too nice after that 2000 election was stolen and don't forget what went down in Ohio in 2004. Both set the stage for this fucking mess.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
30. I disagree about Bush
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:45 PM
Aug 2017

He and his administration intentionally lied to the American people about threats from Iraq in order to invade the country. They lied to Congress, which is the same thing that got Bill Clinton impeached, except Bill was lying about an extra marital affair that affected his marriage and Monica Lewinsky. Bush's lies to Congress cost the US at least a trillion dollars and 5000 American lives, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
5. I don't believe impeachment should be an issue for democrats to run on in 2018 at all but
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 08:23 AM
Aug 2017

any impeachment matter brought forward by Special Counsel must be considered. Huge difference between GWB and Trump.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
7. Oh look...
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 08:36 AM
Aug 2017

Another day, another jab at Nancy Pelosi.

There is ground for impeachment of Trump - probably obstruction of justice; certainly conflict of interest with his business ties; and even possibly collusion with a foreign power, depending on what Mueller finds. It was different in the case of Dymbya.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
8. Do you think we'd be able to get the 67 votes in the Senate to remove Trump from office?
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 08:37 AM
Aug 2017

Did you think we would've got that with Bush?

Personally, I think Pelosi made the right call with regard to GWB.

Trump is another story. If Mueller uncovers sufficient evidence, the Democrats would be right to pursue impeachment. (Despite the fact that it would be unlikely to succeed given the number of Republicans in the Senate.)

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
12. if trump's approval goes to 30% or less, GOP gonna have to make a call
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 08:52 AM
Aug 2017

especially if and when trump fires Mueller....or Mueller's report shows wrong doing by trump, directed by trump or covered up by trump....

mcar

(42,374 posts)
15. Oh goody! A bash Pelosi thread
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 09:24 AM
Aug 2017

I didn't realize it was her week.

And a bash on pure speculation and no evidence "she said it once before" being no evidence.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
20. Last week was Harris' week. Can't wait to who is up next week?
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 10:18 AM
Aug 2017

But I can guess who it will not be.

mcar

(42,374 posts)
21. Nancy's splitting the week with Tom Perez so maybe they'll flow
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 03:05 PM
Aug 2017

into next week. But in the meantime, be sure not to critique radio talk show hosts cause they're Democratic leaders.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. investigations and oversight will be on the table.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 09:29 AM
Aug 2017

Goal will be to expose everything he has done, so he can be prosecuted after losing in 2020.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
19. have you given any consideration to WHY she said that?
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 10:08 AM
Aug 2017

or are we now part of the FACTS DON'T MATTER party.



 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
26. That depends on whether the results of Mueller's investigation are sufficient...
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 03:20 PM
Aug 2017

to get 15 to 20 Republican senators to vote for impeachment. A two-thirds vote is required. Any attempt to impeach Bush would've been a pointless waste of time because the votes were never there to convict. I'm always amazed at how many seemingly rational adults are incapable of understanding simple political realities.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
27. Nancy Pelosi has been a strong House Democratic leader.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:21 PM
Aug 2017

Let's work to make her Speaker!

I really don't appreciate the trolls on DU who continually attempt to tear down the Democratic Party.

We need to be vigilant against the alt.left divisionists who are making war on our party.

There were no grounds for impeaching GW Bush. Being unwise is not a crime. Attempting to impeach him would be the move of demagogues, not Democrats.

Trump could be a different story. If Mueller finds a crime (not unlikely) I don't think Trump will have enough support from Republicans to save himself. He has alienated too many in the GOP to have political capital.

Heck, just yesterday Trump suggested that Mitch McConnell might have to go as Senate Majority leader. Not the way to win friends.

I think the likelihood is that Trump will be removed from office. And Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker.

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
31. The other side will use every dirty trick in the book. Plus a few more.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:49 PM
Aug 2017



They desperately don't want that to happen.

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