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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 03:55 PM Aug 2017

A reminder that modern nuclear weapons dwarf the two dropped in 1945 in Japan.

NK has the Hiroshima type and size devices you can barely see on the left side of the graph while America has thousands, yes thousands of the size on the right side. Again, I ask, which country should be terrified??

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A reminder that modern nuclear weapons dwarf the two dropped in 1945 in Japan. (Original Post) Fred Sanders Aug 2017 OP
Which country should be terrified? South Korea, for one. Towlie Aug 2017 #1
Just saying it is NOT America that should be worried about a nation with no capacity to strike Fred Sanders Aug 2017 #3
But Douglas MacArthur found out how close China was to NK bronxiteforever Aug 2017 #6
Not true actually Spider Jerusalem Aug 2017 #2
America - 7000 devices do not forget. 7000. How many for NK? A handful at best of 30 kiloton range. Fred Sanders Aug 2017 #4
Yes, but the orginal statement was inaccurate, agreed? Adrahil Aug 2017 #13
Golly, you bunch of worry warts! gratuitous Aug 2017 #5
The whole planet should be terrified. nt LWolf Aug 2017 #7
America is also invested in the Global economy and has real realtionships with most of the rest of Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #8
there won't be a nuclear exchange. Javaman Aug 2017 #9
affected Towlie Aug 2017 #11
thanks! fixed. nt Javaman Aug 2017 #12
Very misleading... sarisataka Aug 2017 #10
The 3 nukes to the right on the chart were all 'test' explosions Calculating Aug 2017 #14

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Just saying it is NOT America that should be worried about a nation with no capacity to strike
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:03 PM
Aug 2017

America in any way possible. Folks have any idea how far NK is???

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
6. But Douglas MacArthur found out how close China was to NK
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:12 PM
Aug 2017

With China the mutual in mutual assured destruction comes in

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
2. Not true actually
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:02 PM
Aug 2017

the B83 bomb is the highest-yield nuclear weapon in the current US arsenal; it has a yield of 1.2 megatons (which is about 1/10th the "Mike" test bomb, there); the bulk of the US nuclear arsenal consists of W88 warheads (on ICBMs/SLBMs) with a yield of around 100-475 kilotons. The "Tsar Bomba" is the most powerful thermonuclear device ever detonated (50 megatons, designed for 100); no nuclear power has ever deployed a device that large (the largest in the US arsenal, ever, was 25MT, but those were all retired many years ago).

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
13. Yes, but the orginal statement was inaccurate, agreed?
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:51 PM
Aug 2017

No operational nuclear weapon is in the Tsar Bomb yield.

Having said that, it hardly matters. Dropping a nuke of any suze would be devastating.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Golly, you bunch of worry warts!
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:10 PM
Aug 2017

President Trump is like a very smart person with a very good brain. He doesn't need to be told stuff over and over again, and he's pretty sure that neither China nor Russia will get too mad if we lob a few nukes into North Korea. And our South Korean and Japanese pals will just be happy that someone finally did something about this long-standing problem. Trump is also almost positive that he heard once that nukes can be precision-programmed to blow up a very specific area. It's like the Microsoft Surface Pen, you know? You can practically define it down to the pixel.

And besides, even if President Trump isn't 100% correct, what's the worst that's likely to happen?

(A dumbass argument you can expect to see within the next 24-36 hours, only this time as a serious proposal.)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. America is also invested in the Global economy and has real realtionships with most of the rest of
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:26 PM
Aug 2017

the world.

North Korea is an isolated totalitarian state run by paranoid kleptocrats* with far less to lose.

That "tiny" Hiroshima bomb is plenty to kill millions in a densely populated modern metro area. Comparing it to the Tsar Bomba is ludicrous, because there's no strategic value whatsoever is a bomb that big. That's the reason no one has built any bigger ones, since. a 50 Megaton Explosion is great for dick waving, but doesn't carry any appreciable war advantage over the 10 megaton version. Once you're talking hydrogen bombs, you're off the map, literally and figuratively.



* And yes, I know who is in the White House right now.

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
9. there won't be a nuclear exchange.
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:31 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:45 PM - Edit history (1)

however, if there is one, every single person on this planet is affected. not just and the north koreans.

sarisataka

(18,770 posts)
10. Very misleading...
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 04:44 PM
Aug 2017

The Tsar Bomba was a one-off Soviet weapon. After the test they never built another. Most modern nukes are far to the left on that chart.

Still a "tiny" 30kt bomb dropped on Seoul would result in millions of casualties.

Calculating

(2,957 posts)
14. The 3 nukes to the right on the chart were all 'test' explosions
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:09 PM
Aug 2017

Mostly meant to test the limits of how big of a bomb we could realistically produce. Most 'practical' nukes are in the <5MT range. There's very little reason to go over that because it just makes the bomb harder to deliver to the target, and a <5MT warhead is plenty of power to destroy a city anyway.

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