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Alhena

(3,030 posts)
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 09:44 PM Aug 2017

I'm starting to think 25th Amendment removal is more likely than impeachment

It just takes Pence and half the cabinet. We know Sessions hates Trump, Mattis and Tillerson seem to have grave reservations as well. If Trump starts talking crazy about war in the cabinet, I can realistically see it happening:

25th Amendment; article 4

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

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Alhena

(3,030 posts)
3. Even Republicans would be hard pressed to second guess Trump's own cabinet if they said
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 09:47 PM
Aug 2017

that he was not to be trusted with the nuclear codes.

kairos12

(12,861 posts)
8. In a pre-Trump world I totally agree. Trump has shown that all, more most, democratic norms
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 10:00 PM
Aug 2017

do not apply to him. Also, who will hold him accountable. The Republican Congress, nope. A conservative SCOTUS, nope. They already handed power to one Rethug in 2000.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
9. IMO, Unless DT45 is in a comma and declared brain dead there is no chance of
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 10:04 PM
Aug 2017

using 25th Amendment; article 4.

NotASurfer

(2,150 posts)
10. Of course if he got wind of that written declaration
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 10:05 PM
Aug 2017

He could just tweet that the entire cabinet was fired immediately (taking no chances on loyalty) and try to say it was invalidated as a result.

Or was that a novel I read once?

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