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To those demanding photographic evidence of Nazi regalia in #charlottesville, here's what's on display before breakfast. Be safe today
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
spanone
(135,832 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)is the crime of this century. All this alt-whitey Nazi hate on parade is a heinous anti-American disgrace. The republicans - led by their ignoble, lying Draft-Dodger-in-Chief - own it, and have shit it out upon the nation.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)They need to be goated
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)blogslut
(38,000 posts)Link to tweet
Tell me again about how they're not really nazis
Is that you?
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)malaise
(268,998 posts)Paladin
(28,257 posts)I'm getting really, really tired of my country being shit on like this. Armed Nazis at Thomas Jefferson's university? How much more of this garbage are we supposed to take?
lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)of us will be safe until all of carry arms to defend ourselves... a scary thought indeed.
dhill926
(16,339 posts)fucking cowards.....
OutaHere
(53 posts)On display.
cilla4progress
(24,733 posts)Americans would want their own flirtation with fascism. Let's hope it doesn't last.
ET Awful
(24,753 posts)If Republicans don't denounce the event, they are tacitly admitting that they are onboard with the white nationalist motivations for it.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,806 posts).
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)...that both of those flags not only represent racism, but LOSERS. Those are the people who lost their wars.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)And they don't acknowledge that they lost the war because they don't think it's over yet.
haveahart
(905 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:24 PM - Edit history (1)
It's just plain racism and hate.
jovibennett
(120 posts)and that maybe just maybe their bosses will see what kind of person they hired and fire their asses!! That is if any of them actually have jobs in the real world and don't work for their daddies who are probably there also. More pics of these people to get out circulated.
cloudbase
(5,514 posts)book burning.
Timmygoat
(779 posts)I am sick to my stomach, I remember WW2, and all my family's friends who went off to fight the Nazis, many did not come back, I lived in the UK, as a child I lived through the nightmare of German nightly bombing raids. Thousands of brave Americans also went to fight the Nazis and also did not return, seeing the Nazi flags on display today who did not suffer the nightmare just made me feel sick, this would be like a kick in the stomach to US families who lost family , everyone should go to see the WW2 cemeteries in Europe, look at the headstones, some little more than children, all who had mothers over here who had lost them. Go to Ardennes, Normandy, Luxembourg, Cambridge. They are hallowed ground and bring a tear to the eye when you visit.I do not understand why Swastikas
can be displayed, I do not know if they are even allowed in Germany.
This is Trump's America, it was also 1930's Germany.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)would have American accents and not German ones.
Sorry to break with all the constitutionalists, but I think fascism should be off-limits, world-wide.
It should not be an option. It should not be tolerated. It should not be granted free speech.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Initech
(100,076 posts)MFM008
(19,808 posts)Both LOSERS.
Both the gop base.
This is what America has come to in the age of
Donald J. Maggot.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Thanks, sTrumpet.
Video from The Advocate:
https://www.advocate.com/crime/2016/11/17/trump-inspired-hate-crimes-60-seconds
Rhiannon12866
(205,366 posts)I thought that even grade school kids already knew that "Hitler" and nazism were universally regarded as evil as it gets...
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)daughters of returned veterans didn't learn about them either. I recall reading about our enemy the Soviet Union, though.....
Today, "Social Studies" is all about themes.
If students learn about any war, it's the American Civil War. In excruciating and boring detail. At least, that's true where I once taught.
Rhiannon12866
(205,366 posts)10th grade World History covered them pretty thoroughly when I was in school.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)war per se wasn't a "Unit."
11th Grade: U. S. History. I don't remember getting past the aforementioned Civil War. I try to ignore the subject to this day, for fear of being bored to death.
12th Grade: "Problems of Democracy (POD)": We studied the workings of the Federal government, "How a Bill becomes a law," etc. We learned the Cabinet members' names (1966-67). Plus, we were taught about our Labor Movement history and its leaders. That was good.
And the danger of the USSR. I did a report that year on their failed "Five-Year Agricultural Plans."
But I simply don't recall having any school lessons on Nazism and/or the European Theatre. What I learned as a child and teen came from my father and the history books we'd borrow from our city library.
Rhiannon12866
(205,366 posts)And 11th grade was American History. I still remember the MAIN causes of WWI - Militarism, Alliances, Imperialism and Nationalism. Mr. Sullivan would be proud of me.
For my term paper I did a report on Hitler. We already knew that he was a horrible human being, IIRC, I tried to figure out what caused him to behave as he did.
And, of course, I remember hearing about the war from my grandmothers. My paternal grandfather died young, so my grandmother took a job in the Office of Price Administration. And my maternal grandparents ran a small grocery and had to deal with rationing.
As for the USSR, they were regarded as the biggest threat during my childhood. I actually visited there during the final days. I accompanied my grandmother and her peace group - they had a sister city - and I was initially scared to death! It really was an enlightening trip, people are people and they want the same things we do - and the Russian people are terrified of war, having experienced the horrors of WWII especially on their own turf. There are monuments everywhere and it's studied heavily in schools. Even the school we visited in our small "sister city" had a special museum where children were expected to learn about the war and those students who were lost were commemorated on plaques on the walls. I feel very bad for what they're experiencing now, there was a lot of hope that things were changing under Gorbachev.
Isn't history still a main subject - along with math, English and science?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)was based on my own reading, not my texts.
And visiting Russia! I concur; the people are among the world's most long-suffering (Feudalism began here, as did the pogroms against Jews, as "Fiddler" depicts. And of course, starvation, the Gulags, etc.), unto today, as they are robbed blind of resources.
But your "World History" was not my sophomore "World Cultures."
And remember: ALL public school history/Social Studies textbooks are published in and must conform to the editorial decisions of.... TEXAS.
Rhiannon12866
(205,366 posts)Here in New York, history is - or was - one of the main subjects taught and we have Regents exams at the end of the year that you have to pass. World History was my second best at a 92, got a 93 in biology and a 90 in English that year. Don't ask me about math.
As for Russia, I grew up just assuming the Russians hated us. When my grandmother first asked me to go - they needed 17 to make the trip and people kept dropping out - I thought she had to be out of her mind. I actually had a panic attack on the flight over. I only went to make my grandmother happy.
So it was a pleasant surprise that the Russians we met were so welcoming. They seemed pleased to meet Americans, though Reagan was not popular there. He was seen as making things tougher for Gorbachev who was trying to institute reforms. This was just before the Reagan-Gorbachev meeting in Reykjavik and I still get a lump in my throat remembering one older Russian lady - who had been a nurse during WWII - who said "When you go back, please tell your president that we want peace!"
I still think of some of those people - the kids we met at the school (who welcomed us with flowers) - and wonder how they're faring now.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I feel like throwing up. I can't believe things have gotten this bad. It's horrifying.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)remember Lincoln Rockwell.
The price of democracy.
PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)and hostile to so many good people.
They should be condemned and it is hard not to wish harm upon their souls.
They have lost their seat for civil discourse and are against egalitarian freedoms.
USA institutions and law enforcement best treat them as disruptors and terrorists of social order and the Constitution.
This movement should have been nipped in the bud.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)forgotten, are left out of those Social Programs that give champagne and caviar to undocumented immigrants.
What they forget is that they hated school, hated reading and learning, and never sought to make something of themselves.
kpete
(71,991 posts)on the head
kp
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)in our Constitutional Democracy.
I'm sorry, but that's how the US rolls.
PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)Nazi Party members or not, they do not have the right to be violent and physically bully others.
Most of those "demonstrators" are not American Nazi Party members.
They are violent anti-American and hateful thugs.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)of course, violence is illegal as well as immoral (well, unless it's a declared American-involved war, heh), so only a brain-damaged person would disagree with your first sentence.
PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)my thought that most were not American Nazi party members is because actual voter registered American Nazis are few and most of the White Supremacist demonstrators are Trump voters and if registered are mostly GOP.
I tend to state the obvious (at least in my feeble mind).
The "nipping" mentioned above was the nipping of the violent and bullying form of demonstration. However repugnant the fascist modern Nazis have rights to free speech and assembly in our system but they do not have the right to be violent nor bully or interfere with the freedoms of others.