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lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:10 PM Aug 2017

Brought to you by your refusal to elect the democratic candidate:



Oh, yes. You had your reasons: Bernie was cheated. Possibly, but that's politics. HRC just didn't excite you. YOu think there is a noble cause in 3rd party candidates who "really understand you."

Well, here you go. If Obama's voters had shown up and voted party, these people would not now be so emboldened.

Elections have consequences. Grow up and think about the greater good.
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Brought to you by your refusal to elect the democratic candidate: (Original Post) lindysalsagal Aug 2017 OP
But she gave a fucking speech, dont you realize that alone is Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #1
Not an exaggeration. And Bernie was not cheated. yardwork Aug 2017 #2
Correct and CORRECT! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #5
Nope.. and I have quit a bit of hatred in my heart for what he did OKNancy Aug 2017 #6
Same here. R B Garr Aug 2017 #11
I echo your sentiment. I fear it is going to happen again in the justhanginon Aug 2017 #13
If it does, I'm going to be convinced that they're being paid by Putin. yardwork Aug 2017 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #133
There are those whom I will never forgive for this, KTM Aug 2017 #106
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #115
Dumbass post, I'll take the hide. Agschmid Aug 2017 #118
That's cool. Don't count on me snitching. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #122
Bernie endorsed Clinton. dawg Aug 2017 #148
I wouldn't be proud to say something like that G_j Aug 2017 #150
What did he do? TooStrong Aug 2017 #157
63 million morons Pantagruel Aug 2017 #3
But You Don't Undrstand Me. Aug 2017 #4
And her families Foundation Vetteguy Aug 2017 #59
I Know...How Dare They Get The Excellent Scores They Did...Must be Fake News Me. Aug 2017 #69
And she MFM008 Aug 2017 #105
Even Worse Me. Aug 2017 #107
It looks like they've been out "revolutioned". The real Revolution looks R B Garr Aug 2017 #7
Yep! Zoonart Aug 2017 #8
Brought to you by tens of millions of non voters. And that's the truth Tom Rinaldo Aug 2017 #9
That's right. potone Aug 2017 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Vetteguy Aug 2017 #66
We'll never know how many Berners stayed home. Obama's voters stayed home. lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #71
It's amazing to me that Hillary supporters... potone Aug 2017 #109
I'm a Bernie voter wellst0nev0ter Aug 2017 #112
Exactly. Thank you. I didn't like everything about her, either, but it's not about me. lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #116
Exactly NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #139
What amazed me in 08 was how many Republicans that I knew voted for Obama. Autumn Aug 2017 #130
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #75
it is embarrassing NJCher Aug 2017 #103
There is nothing maladjusted about people voting for Democrats. R B Garr Aug 2017 #138
And 25-30% of Jewish voters, and 25-30% of Hispanic voters, and 25-30% of women voters. vi5 Aug 2017 #82
Voted Bernie primary; Gladly voted Hillary general. Duppers Aug 2017 #100
Oh fuck it. Johnson voters are as guilty as Stein voters, or Sanders write-ins KitSileya Aug 2017 #132
There are a lot of factors that have gotten us to where we are today, the main one being the fact WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #10
One should note that the alt.left that helped elect Trump... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #17
As I say, white people look for ways to extend hegemony. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #21
Good point. And good word...hegemony. brush Aug 2017 #39
This! romana Aug 2017 #12
This is what they wanted. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #14
Though I agree we'll never overcome this if we don't stop going at one another. nolabear Aug 2017 #15
Jill Stein, Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, Susan Sarandon, Eddie Glaude oasis Aug 2017 #16
Someone's missing there, but I understand why. R B Garr Aug 2017 #20
awww tell us who is missing? why can't you say it? m-lekktor Aug 2017 #25
awww, some revolution there, isn't it. R B Garr Aug 2017 #27
HRC's mythical "baggage" was intolerable to them. oasis Aug 2017 #28
Sexism played a big role. yardwork Aug 2017 #72
That's for sure. nt oasis Aug 2017 #74
As someone who has had several posts hidden for that reason, liquid diamond Aug 2017 #121
Yep greeny2323 Aug 2017 #18
I find your post disgusting. David__77 Aug 2017 #19
Wow, even a GOP ex-Bush official, Richard Painter, is more in tune to R B Garr Aug 2017 #22
Yes heard him this morning Vetteguy Aug 2017 #64
Why are you bringing Judaism into this? murielm99 Aug 2017 #24
These are fucking ANTI-SEMITES and people are blaming supporters of Jew. David__77 Aug 2017 #26
This is the second post of yours I have seen murielm99 Aug 2017 #29
Keep blaming Sanders if you want to. David__77 Aug 2017 #33
You think you're being helpful? Cary Aug 2017 #36
Bernie primary supporter here. 1) this OP is about BoB's and third party voters. 2) therefore emulatorloo Aug 2017 #32
Thank You Leith Aug 2017 #68
I was a Berner at the primary, too, But I knew we had to vote party for potus. lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #76
Not many Bernie supporters stayed home. 90% came out and voted for the Democratic candidate emulatorloo Aug 2017 #147
I don't know how you would prove the number: 90%? Maybe, maybe not. lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #149
Some survey I saw somewhere in a newspaper but don't remember where I saw it emulatorloo Aug 2017 #151
You are correct. It is indeed disgusting. It also reveals more to me... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #44
Disgusting? Me. Aug 2017 #30
Yeah I mentioned Judaism. David__77 Aug 2017 #34
That Is Just So Nonsensical Me. Aug 2017 #40
Really? Pretty bizarre projection there: George II Aug 2017 #54
If by "funny" you mean "revealing" ... then I'm in agreement. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #57
Zoom Me. Aug 2017 #110
You're dragging the "Jewish socialist" angle into this. Why? George II Aug 2017 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Aug 2017 #65
Not Bernie supporters, collaborators with fascism. BainsBane Aug 2017 #94
I concur Doc Coco Aug 2017 #117
What's the point of this? Who are you talking to? WIProgressive88 Aug 2017 #23
Bernie or Busters. You are correct, nobody here is a BoB no OP is not about us. It's a Rant emulatorloo Aug 2017 #38
I don't get these posts. cwydro Aug 2017 #47
Exactly. These OPs should be alerted on as flame bait, and repeat posters banned LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #141
And rather than attacking those on the right this poster tiredtoo Aug 2017 #31
Are delusional BOB's really leftists? Thread is not about the sane Bernie supporters like you and emulatorloo Aug 2017 #43
Ever see this? George II Aug 2017 #58
Many of Obama's voters stayed home. Truth. Not ashamed to say it straight. They stayed home. lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #77
I talked to a young African American tiredtoo Aug 2017 #92
I wonder if he feels the same now Motownman78 Aug 2017 #131
undoubtedly tiredtoo Aug 2017 #134
There's that voter supression thingy. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #125
got to get her props somehow, and the usual choir always sings along. Raster Aug 2017 #129
How would electing Clinton kept them from rallying? (NT) Reiyuki Aug 2017 #35
LOL shhh leftstreet Aug 2017 #45
Been here a long time. Reiyuki Aug 2017 #53
There were always crazies at the fringe of our country question everything Aug 2017 #46
Even ex-GOP Bush administration officials are able to figure this out. R B Garr Aug 2017 #49
Electing Donald emboldened them treestar Aug 2017 #145
Bigots always seem to come out when they feel empowered. Much like the anti-gay bigots in Russia stevenleser Aug 2017 #152
Yeah, but they've pretty much always been on the internet Reiyuki Aug 2017 #153
Seriously? They were all over Trump's rallies. It made daily news. R B Garr Aug 2017 #154
I wasn't compelled to post b/c of the nazi protests Reiyuki Aug 2017 #155
Your post #35 is what started this subthread. It was saying that electing Clinton R B Garr Aug 2017 #156
let it go already for fucks sake Chakaconcarne Aug 2017 #41
NO we can do it Aug 2017 #143
Brought to you by corrupt Republicans moondust Aug 2017 #42
You think this event wouldn't have happened if Trump lost last November? Efilroft Sul Aug 2017 #48
Hear, Hear! n/t sagesnow Aug 2017 #52
WE DID!! BY 3 MILLION VOTES! Greybnk48 Aug 2017 #51
YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!! TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #55
AMEN X 1000!!! Paladin Aug 2017 #56
Exactly my point. lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #78
Even More Emboldened erpowers Aug 2017 #60
No way to prove your point, but these people have their leader now. lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #79
Your post is nonsense, Hillary won the election. Open your eyes and see what really happened Autumn Aug 2017 #61
+1 QC Aug 2017 #62
+1 Agschmid Aug 2017 #120
Agreed 100% nt riderinthestorm Aug 2017 #136
I'm gonna change my username to "OFFS". nt Flying Squirrel Aug 2017 #63
OFFS! KPN Aug 2017 #67
Oh yes GaryCnf Aug 2017 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author vi5 Aug 2017 #80
But we did! It was flat out stolen. sandensea Aug 2017 #81
Dinner at Miss Havisham's house again. How very. QC Aug 2017 #83
K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #84
I was a Bernie Sanders supporter and voter LovesPNW Aug 2017 #85
You did the right thing. So did I. lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #89
Incredible amount of worthless genetic material right there. nt Lucky Luciano Aug 2017 #86
As Charlottesville is under siege Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #87
I see Nina Turner is in your sig line ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #90
Spot on. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #99
Really? Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #111
There it is... Doc Coco Aug 2017 #119
No, that's not what it is. WTF is a corporatist except some phony R B Garr Aug 2017 #135
Nina Turner has been in my sig line for over a year. Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #102
Not your fault, but let's listen to Nina.. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #104
What in those articles Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #108
The word you are looking for is "divisive"--not offensive. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #113
No, I meant offensive Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #126
Well Said! BadGimp Aug 2017 #88
But why vote for a corporate sellout? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2017 #91
Stop trying to stir up shit, by re-litigating the election. PBass Aug 2017 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Aug 2017 #95
I'll kick and recommend this one big-time. NBachers Aug 2017 #96
This was made in Virginia Duppers Aug 2017 #97
So fucking sick of this. FiveGoodMen Aug 2017 #98
A.F'n.men! Duppers Aug 2017 #101
+1,000,000,000,000,000 meadowlander Aug 2017 #128
Yes, this garbage is beyond tired melman Aug 2017 #137
But, her emails... liquid diamond Aug 2017 #114
Elections have consequences Gothmog Aug 2017 #123
This sort of thing would have happened even if Clinton won. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #124
No, it's well-known and acknowledged that the alt-right embraces Trump. R B Garr Aug 2017 #140
Yes obviously treestar Aug 2017 #146
As I said in another thread: Fuck anyone who said Hillary was worse than Trump! KitSileya Aug 2017 #127
such a diverse crowd Skittles Aug 2017 #142
I assume you're talking to people from WI, MI, and PA. Duncan Grant Aug 2017 #144
Don't forget there are many racists and sexists out there that pretend to not be sunonmars Aug 2017 #158

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
1. But she gave a fucking speech, dont you realize that alone is
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:12 PM
Aug 2017

worth DESTROYING THE FUCKING PLANET



I am so angry I dont know what to do anymore

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
13. I echo your sentiment. I fear it is going to happen again in the
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:29 PM
Aug 2017

midterms. All the divisive signs are there.

Response to yardwork (Reply #70)

Response to OKNancy (Reply #6)

 

liquid diamond

(1,917 posts)
122. That's cool. Don't count on me snitching.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:41 PM
Aug 2017

I'm not a fucking coward who runs to an authority when somebody says something I don't like.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
148. Bernie endorsed Clinton.
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:14 PM
Aug 2017

He didn't handle everything perfectly, but after all, he's only human.

I don't blame Bernie. But some of his followers are a different story.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
150. I wouldn't be proud to say something like that
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:22 PM
Aug 2017

being a supposedly intelligent adult and all..

Me.

(35,454 posts)
69. I Know...How Dare They Get The Excellent Scores They Did...Must be Fake News
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:50 PM
Aug 2017

An A rating from Charity Watch

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478


And 4 stars from Charity Navigator Score
(out of 100) Rating
Overall Score & Rating 93.91 ****
Financial 95.00 ****
Accountability & Transparency 93.00 ****

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680


R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
7. It looks like they've been out "revolutioned". The real Revolution looks
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:21 PM
Aug 2017

like the racists who were handed this administration on a silver platter. They are running with it. Quit giving the alt-right points to attack liberals. Liberals = Democrats.

Zoonart

(11,866 posts)
8. Yep!
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:21 PM
Aug 2017

Congrats, "sanctity of my vote" crowd. You witnessed this at 45's rallies and you knew what he was bringing with him. Yet you let it happen by sewing division in the party of the only candidate on the ballot that could stop this from happening.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
9. Brought to you by tens of millions of non voters. And that's the truth
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:22 PM
Aug 2017

Bernie got over 13 million votes in the primaries, where turn out is lower than a regular election and Stein only got less than one and a half million votes in the General. She already got about half that many when she ran against Obama. The Libertarians got three times as many votes as the Greens got. Probably more pot smoking millennials voted for that ticket than total "leftists" voted for Stein.

potone

(1,701 posts)
37. That's right.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:04 PM
Aug 2017

It is amazing to me that people still want to beat up on Bernie and his supporters. It is the people who voted for Trump and those who didn't bother to vote who landed us in this mess. Very few Bernie supporters voted for Stein instead of Clinton. We all need to look to the next elections now, not re-fight the past.

Response to potone (Reply #37)

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
71. We'll never know how many Berners stayed home. Obama's voters stayed home.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:52 PM
Aug 2017

It's amazing to me that Berners still don't get that.

potone

(1,701 posts)
109. It's amazing to me that Hillary supporters...
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:37 PM
Aug 2017

don't get that maybe those Obama voters stayed home because they didn't like Hillary. After all, Obama beat her before. It is illogical to say on the one hand that we will never know how many Bernie supporters (not "Berners," by the way) stayed home, and at the same time to blame Bernie's supporters for Trump's victory. It would have to have been a critical mass of Bernie supporters, and I see no evidence for it. But it seems that some people are determined to blame Bernie for Trump's victory, even without any actual evidence to support that conclusion.

In addition, the fact that Hillary did win the popular vote makes it very strange to blame Bernie, rather than the Electoral College, for Trump's victory. There are many things that we need to change about the way that we elect presidents in this country, including voter suppression, unreliable voting machines, hackable voter lists, the undemocratic nature of the Electoral College, and the way that campaigns are financed. So can we please demand action on those things so that we don't face another electoral outcome like the one we faced in 2016?

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
112. I'm a Bernie voter
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:49 PM
Aug 2017

but I'm also an adult who voted appropriately in the general. I hope those stay-at-home Obama voters like the havoc the Manchurian Candidate is wreaking on us.

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
116. Exactly. Thank you. I didn't like everything about her, either, but it's not about me.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:23 PM
Aug 2017

It's about the country and the world.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
139. Exactly
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:55 PM
Aug 2017

but many people got to stamp their tiny feet and declare that Hillary bored them so they were going to take their running noses and pouts and stay home because she failed to excite them.

I can't express the complete disdain I have for those people.

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
130. What amazed me in 08 was how many Republicans that I knew voted for Obama.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:04 PM
Aug 2017

What didn't amaze me was the fact that Republicans and some Independents disliked Hillary enough to not vote for her. No degree in rocket science was needed to know she wouldn't get non Democrat Obama voters, the mere Clinton name has sent them into a tizzy since Bill was elected. She won. How ever many Bernie supporters that may have stayed home had no bearing on Hillary winning the election. You yourself admit no one knows how many didn't vote for her. 3 million votes proves how misguided you are. It's still amazing to me that Hillary's staunchest supporters still don't get that.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
75. +1000
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:56 PM
Aug 2017

They remind me of the Trumpublicans pushing the voter fraud excuse because of a tiny tiny percent of actual fraud. Same level of hysteria.

Its embarrassing reading some of the Bernie hate posts on here. After all he has done for Democrats, after all he is still doing to fight Trump. Even though the Russian trolls and deplorable cyber army infiltrated Bernie boards and tried to swing over Sanders voters to vote Trump or Stein, not many takers. And that doesn't even address the fact that Bernie himself endorsed Hillary, voted for her, and implored his followers to vote for her. So anyone of his supporters that did not follow his lead was never a Bernie supporter in the first place, and would never have voted Democrat anyways, so that logic is flawed as well.

NJCher

(35,671 posts)
103. it is embarrassing
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:15 PM
Aug 2017

reinforces to me that a large amount of the American populace is seriously maladjusted.

Need to blame.


Cher

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
138. There is nothing maladjusted about people voting for Democrats.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:51 PM
Aug 2017

"a large amount of the American populace is seriously maladjusted."

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
82. And 25-30% of Jewish voters, and 25-30% of Hispanic voters, and 25-30% of women voters.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 02:10 PM
Aug 2017

All apparently under the bewitching spell of Jill Stein and responsible for her scary 1-2% (don't ask me how that math translates, it just does and it just is so stop saying it doesn't!!)

And we all know how much rust belt voters in the states that Hillary lost loooooove Susan Sarandon. When I lived in PA she was all anyone ever talked about. It was crazy.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
132. Oh fuck it. Johnson voters are as guilty as Stein voters, or Sanders write-ins
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:05 PM
Aug 2017

The Johnson voters saw how bad Trump was, but refused to vote for the only candidate who could beat him. Same with Stein voters.

Tons of non-voters were non-voters because the Voting Rights Act was gutted before the election, and that made it even more difficult for minority voters to vote than it already was. White voters with their white privilege, who could vote, who did vote, and did not vote for Clinton own this mess in a way that means that they deserve becoming a minority and being overrun politically. White American voters have shown that they cannot be trusted to vote sensibly - if the country survives it'll be because they become irrelevant. If they don't lose all power, the USA is toast.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,345 posts)
10. There are a lot of factors that have gotten us to where we are today, the main one being the fact
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:22 PM
Aug 2017

that some white people are reluctant to give up the trappings of white hegemony, and that the rest are actively trying to increase it.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
17. One should note that the alt.left that helped elect Trump...
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:35 PM
Aug 2017

...is a nearly all white movement. Far less diverse than the Democratic Party's base of support.

brush

(53,778 posts)
39. Good point. And good word...hegemony.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:05 PM
Aug 2017

Why is there a need for hegemony in some and not in others?

If white hegemony is finally overcome does it spring up in another group?

Is it just human nature?

Has there ever been a society where it didn't exist in one group?

Can that happen?

Ideally a democratic socialist society has that potential but race or religion or gender always seems to get in the way. (the Shakers come to mind as they had women leaders, practiced pacifism and communal living but the movement was religion-based, no POCS, and they had a fatal flaw — they practiced celibacy. Because of that they didn't survive).

Makes one wonder if not for that, how their movement would have evolved?

romana

(765 posts)
12. This!
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:26 PM
Aug 2017

Every asshole who refused to vote for Clinton is responsible for all of this. They all knew what was coming, knew who and what was being emboldened, and they not only allowed it to happen, they actively helped it along.

So fucking angry right now, I can't see straight.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
14. This is what they wanted.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:30 PM
Aug 2017

The whole strategy of the alt.left boils down to an embrace of the "First Hitler, Then Us" scenario.

By embracing a knowable catastrophe, the alt.left hopes things will get so bad that people will become angry radical-reactionaries who will turn to demagogues on the radical left.

It is their only path to power.

It makes the alt.left dangerous and cynical. We need to resist authoritarians on both flanks.

The far-left and the right are natural allies in seeing the polarization of politics into the lunatic fringes as the best way to undermine liberalism.

Resist.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
15. Though I agree we'll never overcome this if we don't stop going at one another.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:32 PM
Aug 2017

We have to stop being bitter and try to come together or we're doomed.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
25. awww tell us who is missing? why can't you say it?
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:47 PM
Aug 2017

I am sure I am thinking of a different person than you are though. After all it's everybody elses fault.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
27. awww, some revolution there, isn't it.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:50 PM
Aug 2017

Looks like some folks are running with it, but not the ones you are thinking of, though. After all it's everybody else's fault.

oasis

(49,387 posts)
28. HRC's mythical "baggage" was intolerable to them.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:54 PM
Aug 2017

Their preference was to put our nation back fifty years.

 

liquid diamond

(1,917 posts)
121. As someone who has had several posts hidden for that reason,
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:39 PM
Aug 2017

I understand why someone's name wasn't mentioned.

David__77

(23,402 posts)
19. I find your post disgusting.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:37 PM
Aug 2017

You blame supporters of a Jewish socialist guilty of the actions of fascists.

The fascists are responsible for their actions.

Clinton was responsible for hers (I say since you reference the election), and each voter for their own. Why the fuck are you taking about Sanders?

If the viewpoint captured in this post holds sway among Democratic leaders bad times lie ahead for the party.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
22. Wow, even a GOP ex-Bush official, Richard Painter, is more in tune to
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:41 PM
Aug 2017

the realities of why this is happening.

 

Vetteguy

(74 posts)
64. Yes heard him this morning
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:46 PM
Aug 2017

a true patriot. Those are the folks I will gladly work with to defeat the fascists not the ones crying about Krispy Kreme items.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
24. Why are you bringing Judaism into this?
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:45 PM
Aug 2017

It has nothing to do with the divisions BS and his so-called revolution started and are continuing to use to divide our party. This has nothing to do with the primary. It has to do with 45 and the kind of people who have been emboldened by his election.

I find YOUR post disgusting.

Get on board. Support Democrats, not those who refuse to join the party and choose to do nothing but criticize and divide us.

David__77

(23,402 posts)
26. These are fucking ANTI-SEMITES and people are blaming supporters of Jew.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:47 PM
Aug 2017

If you don't get why I'd point that out, so sad for you.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
29. This is the second post of yours I have seen
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:55 PM
Aug 2017

trying to drag Bernie into this. Let it go. We have this mess because 45 is President. Bernie helped divide our party and he is part of the problem. He and his followers are still dividing our party. We are long past this crap: our Democracy is in danger. I repeat: Let it go!

NOW his ethnicity has something to do with it? Wake the fuck up. These people are not showing their bigotry because of Bernie. They are showing it because 45's election enabled them.

David__77

(23,402 posts)
33. Keep blaming Sanders if you want to.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:58 PM
Aug 2017

Funny that you plead against factionalism while engaging in it.

emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
32. Bernie primary supporter here. 1) this OP is about BoB's and third party voters. 2) therefore
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:57 PM
Aug 2017

this OP is not about you, me, or any Bernie supporter on DU. Everyone here voted for and worked for the Democrat nominee. Nor is the OP about Bernie. Bernie caucuses with the Dems worked to elect the Democratic nominee.

This OP is about Bernie of Busters and third party voters who enabled Trump to win. See the narrow margins in Wisconsin for example

I hope that helps.

I don't know why you are trying to claim that people who are against neo-Nazis are themselves anti-Semitic.

That makes so sense and isn't true. So please refrain from falsely smearing your fellow DU'ers as anti-Semitic.

Have a nice day

Leith

(7,809 posts)
68. Thank You
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:49 PM
Aug 2017

I've made no bones about caucusing for Bernie in the primary and voting for HRC in the general. So I realize that this thread is not about me.

I've been accused of antiSemitism here before and it was disgusting and horribly UNtrue.

There has been waaaaaay to much lashing out at allies around here. It became bad about a year and a half ago, and simply unbearable in the past couple of months. How the hell can someone claim to want to unite Democrats and liberals do this? Only two reasons: stupidity and trolling.

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
76. I was a Berner at the primary, too, But I knew we had to vote party for potus.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:56 PM
Aug 2017

I still wonder how many Berners stayed home that day.....

emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
147. Not many Bernie supporters stayed home. 90% came out and voted for the Democratic candidate
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:08 PM
Aug 2017

There are not a lot of those who didn't, but they are loud and have some very loud advocates on twitter, IMHO.

emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
151. Some survey I saw somewhere in a newspaper but don't remember where I saw it
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:36 PM
Aug 2017

Just anecdotally though all Bernie primary people I know IRL went out to vote for the Dem

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
44. You are correct. It is indeed disgusting. It also reveals more to me...
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:10 PM
Aug 2017

... than was probably intended.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
30. Disgusting?
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:57 PM
Aug 2017

No one mentioned Judaism but you. And I see how you keep posting your denial about the last election. One has to wonder what's up with your continued animus to HRC.

David__77

(23,402 posts)
34. Yeah I mentioned Judaism.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:02 PM
Aug 2017

I find it notable that people blame supporters of a socialist Jew for the actions of fascists.

I voted for Clinton. I'm sure I have no more animosity for her than some on this thread Gabe for Sanders.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
40. That Is Just So Nonsensical
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:07 PM
Aug 2017

The animus people have for Sander has nothing to do with his religion, in all the threads I've seen of the Senator, yours is the first to ever, ever mention it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
54. Really? Pretty bizarre projection there:
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:27 PM
Aug 2017

Sanders is 6' 1", so the OP is blaming tall people?
Sanders is 74 years old, so the OP is blaming septuagenarians?
Sanders was born in New York, so the OP is blaming New Yorkers?
Sanders is a Senator, so the OP is blaming Senators?



Funny how you zeroed right in on an aspect of Sanders' life that even he rarely speaks about.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
110. Zoom
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:37 PM
Aug 2017

I never heard him mention it at all. In fact, the only religion I am aware of being referenced in his campaign was the Catholic one when he dashed off to see the pope.

Response to David__77 (Reply #19)

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
94. Not Bernie supporters, collaborators with fascism.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 02:54 PM
Aug 2017

Bernie urged his supporters to vote for Clinton. He warned them how dangerous Trump was. And the overwhelmingly majority of them did vote for the Democratic nominee. But those who did not chose to put a White Supremacist in the White House are absolutely responsible for the suffering they inflicted on the nation. Bernie wasn't running against Clinton in the general election. Trump was, and those who refused to vote for Clinton chose Trump.

They knew Trump was a bigot. They knew he was supported by White Supremacists. They chose to put that fascist in the White House. They floated every Kremlin and GOP lie about Clinton, and they supported Trump with their votes--either directly for Trump or for Stein or some other ratfuck move. They had an opportunity to stand up against fascism; they instead chose to abet it.

Bernie is an excuse cowards hide behind to justify their own collaboration with fascism. Bernie warned them about Trump, as did Clinton. Bernie urged them to vote for Clinton, and they refused. They didn't do so because of Bernie. They did so because that is who they are. They insisted Clinton was worse. They insisted her policy positions were worse. They knew full well what Trump was, and they chose him anyway. That makes them complicit in all of this. Every death from hate crimes, every immigrant family torn apart by immigration raids, every person who loses their health insurance or is thrown in the street because of cuts to safety net programs is on them. In refusing to vote for Clinton or even directly voting for Trump, they choose THIS America, the America in which Nazis are better regarded in the White House than than Civil Rights or Environmental activists. They knew exactly what they were promoting.

So no, calling out the fascist collaboration is not disgusting. Collaborating with fascism, choosing to bring it to power-that is disgusting. Utter disregard for the lives of one's fellow citizens is disgusting. A myopic focus on their own egos over human lives and suffering is disgusting. Using Bernie as a pretext for their contemptible actions is cowardly, an effort to deflect responsibility, to pretend they are no different from the millions of people who voted for Bernie in the primary, were disappointed at the outcome of that race, and then went on to vote for the Democratic nominee. They could not be more different. The Bernie supporters got over their disappointment, at least enough to do the right thing in the fall election. The Stein/Trump/ratfuck voters choose instead to stand with fascism, to reject principles and values they claimed to uphold but never did. They chose to vote against weaning America off fossil fuels; they chose to vote against the Paris Climate Change Agreement; against civil rights, women's rights, educational reform that would have lessened inequality. They voted against regulation of banking and against campaign finance reform. They voted for conservative appointments to the supreme court. In fact, I heard a number of them argue that a RW court was a small price to pay for taking down the Democratic Party. Of course, they knew it would never be them who would have to pay.

This is their government, their America. When future generations ask them how it was that the American electorate could allow the country to descend into fascism, they can lie, feign outrage, or deflect. But the fact remains, when America was at a crossroads, when they were faced with the single most important political choice of their lifetimes, they chose evil.

WIProgressive88

(314 posts)
23. What's the point of this? Who are you talking to?
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:44 PM
Aug 2017

Everyone here who voted Bernie in the primary voted Hillary in the general election. I just don't get what the point is of these two minutes hate type posts that seem to pop up daily. It would make sense on a Jill Stein Facebook page or something but it makes no sense here.

emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
38. Bernie or Busters. You are correct, nobody here is a BoB no OP is not about us. It's a Rant
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:05 PM
Aug 2017

Directed at BoB's and third party voters.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
141. Exactly. These OPs should be alerted on as flame bait, and repeat posters banned
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 08:00 PM
Aug 2017

1. only a tiny fraction of Bernie supporters would even dare to thing of voting for Trump as he is the polar opposite.

2. Yes there were those that voted for Greens. As there was when Obama won handily. More voted for the Libertarians who presumably took votes away from Trump. Those that stayed home are idiots. But why pick a fight with a tiny demographic. Besides the obvious demographic of white males, how many white women are joining in on the bullying in here when we could just as easily point to the much much larger demographic of white women, the majority of which actually voted for Trump. Should I start an OP about those damn white women that lost us the election?

3. Sanders himself strongly advised his supporters to vote for Hillary. So how can one accuse Sanders supporters of sabotage? If they were real Sanders supporters, they would have done what he wanted. And did.

4. Worst of all, these OPs are on DU. Go post this on JPR where you will I'm sure spark a healthy debate. All you do is upset all the many Bernie fans, which was the majority in here when the primaries were on, of something they never did. Stop scolding ghosts.

emulatorloo

(44,124 posts)
43. Are delusional BOB's really leftists? Thread is not about the sane Bernie supporters like you and
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:09 PM
Aug 2017

me and every Sanders supporter on DU. There are no BoBs here on DU.

OP addresses voters who were willing to through the most powerless people in the US under the bus.

People on the left don't abandon seniors, the poor etc and throw them to the wolves by enabling Trump.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
92. I talked to a young African American
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 02:53 PM
Aug 2017

Shortly prior to last election. I was urging him to vote. After learning he was not registered I urged him to get all his family to the polls. He replied. "Many of us think it does not make a difference."
Another African American in his fifties said. "Don't come knocking on my door once every two years saying you want my support."

This may lead to some explanation of why many of Obama's voters stayed home.

 

Motownman78

(491 posts)
131. I wonder if he feels the same now
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:04 PM
Aug 2017

With such a huge difference between Trump and HRC. HRC would not be actively curtailing minority rights.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
134. undoubtedly
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:32 PM
Aug 2017

I have shared with him. trump quotes. "What have you got to lose?" and "don't put your hand on there head."
No response.

Reiyuki

(96 posts)
53. Been here a long time.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:23 PM
Aug 2017

I pretty much spend my time reading and absorbing rather than trying to lead the community.

So basically, the answer to my own question is that the election allowed these groups to become more open and brazen.

question everything

(47,479 posts)
46. There were always crazies at the fringe of our country
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:15 PM
Aug 2017

but since the elections, even before, these rallies and opinions have come to the light with no one saying Boo.

Where is Trump? Where is Cruz? Where is the turtle? Rubio?

The only one that I ready publicly denouncing this is the mayor Mike Signer and.. he is a Democrat..

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
49. Even ex-GOP Bush administration officials are able to figure this out.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:18 PM
Aug 2017


Even they don't want Trump representing their party.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
145. Electing Donald emboldened them
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:34 AM
Aug 2017

They are not embarrassed to be seen in public, as they still might have been had they not had the election of one supporting their nonsense as POTUS.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
152. Bigots always seem to come out when they feel empowered. Much like the anti-gay bigots in Russia
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:54 PM
Aug 2017

amped up their assaults on LGBT folks there once the anti-gay law was passed.

The bigots here in the US feel empowered by the election of Trump. Their activity has ramped up significantly since he was proclaimed the winner of the election.

Reiyuki

(96 posts)
153. Yeah, but they've pretty much always been on the internet
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:32 PM
Aug 2017

Even back in the 80's you could find all kinds of racist jokes and such on the bulletin boards. Had pretty much died down until a few years ago, and I've definitely seen that as well.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
154. Seriously? They were all over Trump's rallies. It made daily news.
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:51 PM
Aug 2017

It's not news that white supremacists were attracted to his campaign.

Reiyuki

(96 posts)
155. I wasn't compelled to post b/c of the nazi protests
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:12 PM
Aug 2017

I felt the thread was going to devolve into yet another one of the classic civil war 'Bernie vs Hillary' debates that's been going on here every few days for the past 9 months (my post was before the Trumper ran down a bunch of protesters).

Some of the conflict is real, and some of it is artificial wedges from outside posters, but the guilt and re-fighting the primaries is crippling the community here. Next up, it's probably going to be Antifa vs. 'Love Trumps Hate', where they drive a wedge between the peaceful and the vengeful sides of the Democratic base. .... Again

I don't think the election of a president is what caused the racism. I think it's the other way around.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
156. Your post #35 is what started this subthread. It was saying that electing Clinton
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:22 PM
Aug 2017

wouldn't have mattered, so people responded that it was evident that Trump attracted racists and continues to attract racists.

Elections have consequences, which is what we are living with now.

moondust

(19,981 posts)
42. Brought to you by corrupt Republicans
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:09 PM
Aug 2017

who have for decades tolerated, encouraged, and practiced all kinds of bad behavior in exchange for votes, power, and MONEY.

Efilroft Sul

(3,579 posts)
48. You think this event wouldn't have happened if Trump lost last November?
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:17 PM
Aug 2017

I got news for you: This kind of rallying would've happened a lot sooner. Trump's campaign let this kind of genie back out of its bottle. If he lost in 2016, he would've supported or endorsed, if not outright hosted these kinds of protests against the left, and things would have gotten a lot more violent a lot sooner, too.

It serves no purpose, NONE WHATSOEVER, for one side to continue blaming the other about who's enabled what's gone down in Charlottesville. Everyone has some kind of butt-hurt over 2016: From Clinton's supporters blaming Bernie-Bros and the Greens and the Russians and Comey; from Sanders' supporters blaming the party and lack of purity; and from non-voters who, if they are politically aware, blame the two-party system for whatever reason for their sitting out in November.

You want someone to blame? Blame Trump and his rabid base for what's happened in the last 18 hours or so in Virginia. THIS IS ON THEM, NOT ANY OF US. Everyone who is against Trump needs to stop blaming someone who is probably 90% in agreement with them. 2016 is done and over. We need to get our act together RIGHT NOW and stand united against these forces of darkness, and continue doing so through 2018, and if we aren't nuked off the face of the planet, continue doing so through 2020. Because it's not just a political thing; it's a survival of the nation and species thing.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,190 posts)
55. YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:30 PM
Aug 2017

Blame the Russians

Blame the Republicans that colluded with them and accepted their money

Blame the vote suppressers

Blame the gerrymanderers

Paladin

(28,257 posts)
56. AMEN X 1000!!!
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:34 PM
Aug 2017

Thanks for nothing, liberal hyper-purists and lazy-assed non-voters. This is on you, big-time.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
60. Even More Emboldened
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:41 PM
Aug 2017

These people would have been even more emboldened if Hillary Clinton had become President. I proudly voted for Hillary Clinton, but we are not where we are because Hillary Clinton did not make it to the White House. We have been dealing with things like this since the country started. In recent years this started with the election of Barack Obama. These people are angry and have been angry for years because they believe they are on the verge of losing power. This would likely be worse if Hillary Clinton had made it to the White House.

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
79. No way to prove your point, but these people have their leader now.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 02:04 PM
Aug 2017

And they're rallying behind him in his hate. HRC would have immediately answered them with intelligence, diplomacy and the strength of a political mandate. She would have bouyed their hate with patriotic liberal tolerance, and they wouldn't have this monster to point to.

Instead, silence, which is tacit approval.

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
61. Your post is nonsense, Hillary won the election. Open your eyes and see what really happened
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:41 PM
Aug 2017

she won by 3 million votes. The 3rd party candidates have always ran in elections and amount to nothing, they were not a factor here and Bernie did not run as a 3rd party candidate. But don't let facts and hate get in the way of the thrill of posting a divisive rant against people whose votes will be needed in the future.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
67. OFFS!
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:49 PM
Aug 2017

I get the anger at this stuff. But can we please stop with the bullshit blaming and start taking some responsibility for the past 35 years?

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
73. Oh yes
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:53 PM
Aug 2017

Maybe you had fought for the rights of your people your whole life and like Newton, Seale, Cleaver, King, and Shabazz said that economic justice was the first step on the path to social justice and had YOUR PARTY call you a racist for not saying social justice was the first step;

Maybe you had stood up for the rights of women to maintain complete sovereignty over every decision affecting her body for your whole life and had YOUR PARTY call you a misogynist or anti-choice for being disappointed that Planned Parenthood endorsed your opponent in January;

Maybe you had just been a working class Democrat whose income had been cut in half or who had lost their job and whose family was hurting and just wanted the Trumps of the world (AND NOT OTHER OPPRESSED PEOPLE) to give back a fraction of the money YOU MADE FOR THEM and who had never in your life voted for a fascist Republican and YOUR PARTY called you a racist or a misogynist because your family was your number one issue;

Maybe you were a young black person who watched your brothers and sisters being SYSTEMATICALLY gunned down in the street and YOUR PARTY stood behind the legal system and told you to stay calm;

Maybe you were one of the millions of good Democrats who watched 90% of OUR PARTY'S campaign ads talk about NOTHING but how your opponent lacked the character to be president;

Maybe, just maybe, when election day rolled around and you were STILL goin to get out and vote, you thought about how OUR PARTY leaders told you it was all in the bag and didn't even care enough come to your state after the primaries AND YOU BELIEVED THEM;

Maybe now, when you know how we were hurt by Russian interference, when you know how we were hurt by voter suppression, when you know that more than 90% of you DID get out and vote for our candidate DESPITE ALL THAT, and then you hear same people who CLAIM to be OUR PARTY still blaming "Obama voters" as if THEIR OWN DECISIONS had less to do with it . . .

maybe now you are thinking that these kinds of OPs are the type of divisive garbage that will cost us the next election.

Response to lindysalsagal (Original post)

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
87. As Charlottesville is under siege
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 02:29 PM
Aug 2017

It's good to see the divisiveness here at DU is still alive and kicking. These threads and the statements that come after do so much to unite us. Keep up the good work.

ismnotwasm

(41,980 posts)
90. I see Nina Turner is in your sig line
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 02:48 PM
Aug 2017

What was the quote of hers that went viral recently? No--not the donut one, the one where she said it wasn't her job to "fit in with the Democratic establishment" Not very unifying I must say

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
99. Spot on.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:09 PM
Aug 2017

Those quoting enemies of the Democratic Party in their sig lines complaining about "divisiveness" is rich.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
111. Really?
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:38 PM
Aug 2017

A Democrat is an enemy to the Democratic Party? This is sad state of affairs this party is in if that is the case.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
135. No, that's not what it is. WTF is a corporatist except some phony
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:37 PM
Aug 2017

way to proclaim purity standards. WTF is a progressive label except for some phony purity standards.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
102. Nina Turner has been in my sig line for over a year.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:14 PM
Aug 2017

The quote used is over a year old. But yeah, all the chyt throwing here on DU is MY fault.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
108. What in those articles
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:36 PM
Aug 2017

is offensive? Besides the obvious bias against Nina in the second article.
The fact that she and others are holding the DNC's feet to the fire? That the tone deafness of the past needs to stop. That there is a large group that is expecting more from our elected officials? What is it that is so offensive?

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
126. No, I meant offensive
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:53 PM
Aug 2017

When Nina speaks of things the DNC needs to change that isn't divisive. She's a Democrat who represents a like minded group and is letting our party know what it is we're looking for. Which seems to offend some people.

PBass

(1,537 posts)
93. Stop trying to stir up shit, by re-litigating the election.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 02:53 PM
Aug 2017

I have to question whether you are actually a Democrat, with a divisive post like this.

Response to lindysalsagal (Original post)

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
97. This was made in Virginia
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:06 PM
Aug 2017

And Virginia has two Democratic Senators and voted for HRC last November!!

We are a purple state that is quickly changing and that is what it is upsetting these racist shits. I am sure more in my state is disgusted by this demonstration than is supporting it.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
98. So fucking sick of this.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:07 PM
Aug 2017

Who are you preaching to?

How many of us do you think voted for someone other than Hillary?

Just. Fucking. Stop. Already.

meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
128. +1,000,000,000,000,000
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:57 PM
Aug 2017

You could just as easily say "Brought to us by everyone who insists on attacking other people on the left instead of speaking out against the fascists in the first place"

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
137. Yes, this garbage is beyond tired
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:38 PM
Aug 2017

Unfortunately the admins seem to have no problem with it. So it continues.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
124. This sort of thing would have happened even if Clinton won.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:51 PM
Aug 2017

First, let's not forget that the far right has existed in this country for a very long time. Trump did not create the white nationalist movement. Trump threw fuel on the fire, though, so he does deserve blame for that.

Second, if Clinton won the election things might actually be worse. Trump would have claimed that the election was rigged and his most fervent supporters would have believed him. You probably would have had at least one mass shooting over Trump losing the election.

This country has some major problems that are even bigger than Trump and those problems are fueling these extremist movements. Blaming Sanders and his supporters for this doesn't make sense especially since most Bernie supporters voted for Clinton in the general election.

EDIT: I would add that historically speaking electing Democrats to the presidency doesn't necessarily lead to a reduction in far-right activity. There was a big increase in far-right recruitment under Obama and I think you could make a solid argument that the far right was even stronger and more dangerous during Bill Clinton's presidency. The militia movement was at its height and you had incidents like the Oklahoma City bombing and Waco. I am not trying to downplay what happened in Virginia but I think we need to keep history in mind with regard to this issue.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
140. No, it's well-known and acknowledged that the alt-right embraces Trump.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:58 PM
Aug 2017

He has emboldened them. Even ex-Bush administration GOP officials see that Trump is turning their party into racists. It's that obvious.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
146. Yes obviously
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:35 AM
Aug 2017

They did not do it when Obama was POTUS, which one might have thought they would. But then they lived in a country that had elected a black president. So they knew their crap would not play well. Now they have one of their own as POTUS, so they appear in public, thinking the country is not all for it.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
127. As I said in another thread: Fuck anyone who said Hillary was worse than Trump!
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:55 PM
Aug 2017

Fuck anyone who said she was the best of two bad choices, or that she was flawed, or that they'd "hold their noses and vote for her". We could have had her, but instead we have him. The nazis would have walked the street if she had been elected too, but she would have handled it completely differently than the shitheel we have now who blames both sides while using KKK dog whistles like "cherish our history" while he does.

They would have protested because they would have been incensed - and scared. Scared because she actually had plans to work against discrimination. Because she had plans to work against the hate. Because she had plans to make people's lives better. And they weren't just promises to give everyone the moon and to part the seas - they were detailed, realistic plans that could be done. And that scared the shit out of a majority of white America, who preferred to vote for Trump, or Johnson, or Stein, or write in Sanders. So fuck white America - anyone who's white who sits down at a Thanksgiving table with their racist relatives without giving a clear message that racism won't be accepted and who are not willing to get up and leave if their relatives/friends/neighbors start talking about how affirmative action is reverse racism, how Mexicans are rapists, how more Black people kill than are killed and other nazi talking points, are aiding and abetting this. If white Americans put family peace above the safety and well-being of Black children in America, they're supporting this. And that makes them as bad as the nazis marching in Charlottesville this weekend.

Duncan Grant

(8,264 posts)
144. I assume you're talking to people from WI, MI, and PA.
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:41 AM
Aug 2017

You're not the among the best and the brightest at DU, are you? Pity.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
158. Don't forget there are many racists and sexists out there that pretend to not be
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 07:08 AM
Aug 2017

but will pull that lever undercover of the voting booth for the conman.

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