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Can you believe this neo-nazi scum? (Original Post) kpete Aug 2017 OP
Thank you Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #1
K&R Also... Solly Mack Aug 2017 #2
Exactly! Duppers Aug 2017 #5
I thought it needed to be said. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #6
K&R n/t Glorfindel Aug 2017 #3
I came here to chew bubble gum and kick Nazi ass. And I'm out of bubble gum. nt TeamPooka Aug 2017 #4
Beating and killing people isn't speech IronLionZion Aug 2017 #7
Yay! Lucky Luciano Aug 2017 #8
#RESIST lark Aug 2017 #9
Nazis are an existential threat. dalton99a Aug 2017 #10
I thought this was a thread about Trump. yardwork Aug 2017 #11
Well said. Hate speech, by definition, is not Free Speech. sandensea Aug 2017 #12
Actually it is mythology Aug 2017 #15
Thanks for carrying the train of thought to its full implications bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #13
People do have the right to be Nazis adigal Aug 2017 #14
What utter nonsense mythology Aug 2017 #16
Agree many a good man Aug 2017 #17

Solly Mack

(90,769 posts)
2. K&R Also...
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 03:08 PM
Aug 2017

What do people think African-Americans see when haters march with the confederate battle flag and assorted other white supremacist paraphernalia?

They see the incitement of the oppression of black people - the call for a return to the enslavement, lynching, torture, abuse, and rape of black people. The total control of black people. The ownership of black people.

What? People didn't know that's what the confederate battle flag represents?

Well, now they know.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
5. Exactly!
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 04:10 PM
Aug 2017

Thank you.
Was going to post about that flag too. It's offensive and those assholes flying it must know it represents "white pride."

sandensea

(21,636 posts)
12. Well said. Hate speech, by definition, is not Free Speech.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:05 PM
Aug 2017

Same goes for money - except that money is at least something useful.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
15. Actually it is
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:41 PM
Aug 2017

Unless there is a specific and overt call to action that is directly linked, it's absolutely covered by the first amendment.

The cartoon is simply put wrong legally. Just because the cartoonist wants to claim that something is incitement doesn't actually make it so. This is basic law. Merely having a nazi flag doesn't even come close to meeting the criteria of the Brandenburg test.

bucolic_frolic

(43,176 posts)
13. Thanks for carrying the train of thought to its full implications
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:06 PM
Aug 2017

I never looked at it in quite that way

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
14. People do have the right to be Nazis
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:28 PM
Aug 2017

And the President should say they are monsters.
And he didnt.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
16. What utter nonsense
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:53 PM
Aug 2017

This would get laughed out of court if somebody tried to claim that the mere presence of a nazi flag was enough to qualify for proactively punching the person with it. It doesn't even remotely come close to passing the incitement test.

If you'd like to understand how utter silly this is, try swapping the flag for a U.S. flag and talking about the genocides on Native American tribes and how that means if you have a U.S. flag a Native American would be justified in punching you.

many a good man

(5,997 posts)
17. Agree
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:43 PM
Aug 2017

Have Hate Speech laws been tested in the SCOTUS yet on 1st Amedment grounds? I wonder if they can be used to curb the most egregious.

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