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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNYT: "There is no such thing as the 'alt-left.'"
The New York Times today:
Researchers who study extremist groups in the United States say there is no such thing as the alt-left. Mark Pitcavage, an analyst at the Anti-Defamation League, said the word had been made up to create a false equivalence between the far right and anything vaguely left-seeming that they didnt like.
Some centrist liberals have taken to using this term.
It did not arise organically, and it refers to no actual group or movement or network, Mr. Pitcavage said in an email. Its just a made-up epithet, similar to certain people calling any news they dont like fake news.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/alt-left-alt-right-glossary.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&mtrref=www.dailykos.com&gwh=42040BFD0845A9AFB3F5C07C5B7FEF69&gwt=pay
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/15/1690104/-NYT-There-is-no-such-thing-as-the-alt-left
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)It can mean anything that people want it to mean and typically right wingers intend it to mean anything that is not explicitly conservative. We can have disagreements about candidates and primaries. We should have robust debates about what Democrats stand for. What we should never do is adopt the language of the right to beat each other with.
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,207 posts)temporary311
(955 posts)but catapult nazi propaganda.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)I'm disappointed that anyone can use the term alt-left here and continue posting.
TheBlackAdder
(28,207 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)it's not just a theory!
Solly Mack
(90,769 posts)And the posts remain.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)"Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists are the second deadliest group of terrorists by ideology and account for 228 murders and 6.9 percent of all terrorist deaths. The chance of being murdered in a Nationalist or Right Wing terrorist attack was 1 in 33 million per year. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the second deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history after 9/11, killed 168 people and accounted for 74 percent of the murders committed by Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists. Left Wing terrorists killed only 19 people in terrorist attacks during this time but 15 since 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed 5 since then, including Charlottesville. Meanwhile, the annual chance of being murdered by a Left Wing terrorist was about 1 in 400 million per year. Regardless of the recent upswing in deaths from Left Wing terrorism since 2016, Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have killed about 12 times as many people since 1992. Terrorists with unknown or other motivations were the least deadly"
watrwefitinfor
(1,399 posts)" Left Wing terrorists killed only 19 people in terrorist attacks during this time [since 9/11] but 15 since 2016."
What on earth are they calling "left wing" attacks? Who was killed in all these "left wing" attacks, and why didn't they make the news?
Is there some left wing organization (since the ones who kidnapped Patty Hearst, and I don't really think they were all that leftish) going around killing people?
What am I missing?
Wat
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)if there were an "alt-left" it would be here and I would be seeing it. The Black Bloc, which I have seen for decades here at literally every march I have ever been to (they're like the old Hollywood saw -- they'll show up at the opening of an envelope) are the closest thing I have seen but I think their agenda (from my experience here) is more pure disruption that any true Leftist ideology.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)ecstatic
(32,707 posts)on Trump's unhinged presser. I told her there is no alt-left. For me, it describes the (russian? ) troll- left who wish to sow division among democrats.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)and their opinions, by lumping them into one single, easily dismissed category.
And most importantly, without having to address any of the policy points they may be arguing.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Now can they stop using that term here?
Hieronymus
(6,039 posts)calling Hitler a leftist, and more.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Fox, hate radio, the mega-churches...
We need the 1st Amendment, but we also need -- not want, NEED -- to counter propaganda.
The Fairness Doctrine should never have been eliminated. Equal time would have helped immensely in the last couple of decades.
We also need to do something about outright lies. Those need to be punished. And the record needs to be set straight.
Perhaps, at one time, it seemed reasonable to suppose that the 'free marketplace of ideas' would eventually sort things out.
Anyone who still believes that is an utter fool.
Recent history makes it clear that name calling and bullying influences more people than reasonable discussion.
The future of the US and of democracy in general depends upon our solving this problem.