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I'm 82, have never been as scared for this country as I am today. I'm a depression baby, a card-carrying member of the Silent Generation. I was born in the middle of the dust bowl and lived through 50 major dust storms in my first 72 days of life, still carry some of the dust with me as nodules in my spleen and the upper lobe of my left lung. I lived In Arlington, just outside D.C., during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I lived in Atlanta during the fight for Civil Rights, comforted my husband when he came home after writing about the Birmingham church bombing, the beatings on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, Philadelphia Mississippi. I marched in the funeral march for MLK with our two oldest children. With all that, I've never felt so much despair for this country as I feel right now. Thanks for listening. I needed to vent.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... months of him and then he's done, I doubt it he'll make it two terms and the needle keeps climbing on this term.
There's enough checks and balances that he doesn't do any permanent damage
whathehell
(29,067 posts)do NOT have 42 more months of this asshole... Don't forget Mueller's investigation -- He may well uncover indisputably Impeachable offenses.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)to the current crop of Republican legislators? They won't act on any of it.
I hope I'm wrong, but honestly, if he literally killed someone at one of his press conferences, on live TV, they'd shrug and put it down to him being "new at the job".
whathehell
(29,067 posts)I think I'm just coming out of a type of "cognitive dissonance' around his election...I can't even even bring myself to refer to him as "The president'.
That being said, I'm an optimist by nature, and have just a little more faith than you that he'll be booted out before his term ends.
Nadem se... That's Croatian for 'I hope".
Bettie
(16,110 posts)"hey, they won't let this go!" for several things.
I used to be an optimist...BT...before Trump.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)I think there are many of us who are shaking our heads and saying what next after his affectionate call to his "fine people". He makes me sick.
lark
(23,105 posts)Richard Spencer and his hate group had rented space at UF for a major United the Right speech. Monday, FL's president emailed that they cared about freedom of speech so were going to let this go on but were looking for ways to do it peacefully. Monday night Rick Scott said Spencer was going to speak and the state was trying to find ways to make sure it was peaceful. I was so depressed and sad about seeing this happen to the organization I'm affiliated with and in my state.
Today when I got to work, I got a message that the speech was cancelled!
Hurray for sanity and safety!. I feel at least a little less like screaming than I did a few minutes prior to arriving. There is some hope, #RSESIST
PNW-Dem
(244 posts)I think the best way to deal with these hate groups is to ignore them. This might not be a popular statement, but they are desperate for attention so why give it to them?
The hate groups that marched on Charlottesville are clearly on the losing end of a decades-long battle. They seem like a bunch of disaffected, paranoid individuals. I almost feel sorry for them, as most probably need professional help. Like the quote from that 1985 Loretta Swit movie, these are guys who reached out for the American dream and came up with a beer in one hand and their dick in the other.
I am so disappointed at the how the MSM has given the hate groups 24/7 coverage. In hindsight, think about what would have happened if the hate groups marched and no one came to see them. It would have been the non-event that it should be.
calimary
(81,304 posts)I'm seriously wondering if he's going to have 42 months. I find myself wondering if he'll even last one full term. A second term is probably out of the question.
I'm not sure how long all these republi-CON jerks on Capitol Hill can keep holding their noses and having his back. He's starting to stink up the joint too badly for them to stand the smell. It's awful when your place is at the backside of a congenital stinker.
And he's all theirs.
Squinch
(50,954 posts)I didn't sleep at all last night. Just tossed and turned. I am not despairing, because I KNOW we will win in the end, but I am frightened.
Hang in there.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I never in my wildest dreams/nightmares thought we would have a Russian spy, nazi/KKK backer in the White House.
I served my country as did many family members going back as far as the (1st?) Civil War.
The beast in the white house last night took a giant shit all over the country we served and some died for.
If their was one iota of honor or love of country in the republican party they would be starting impeachment proceedings this morning but no way in hell that is going to happen, count on that!
Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)Yesterday my grown son, he's in his 40s, a practicing psychologist, and a father, told me that for the first time in his life he was afraid of the future. I had nothing. There has come a time when I can't shine the flashlight under the bed to show my kids there aren't any monsters. There are monsters. In the Whitehouse.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)tRump and his minions have tarnished the WH, it will never be the same. All dignity and honor has been stripped away, by a reality "star" and his grifting family. The gop should pay for this disaster, of their making. I wonder how good that Russian money looks NOW? Their true colors have been exposed, show them the money, and TO HELL with this country.
MFM008
(19,814 posts)Agree with you.
KPN
(15,646 posts)we SHALL overcome. Have faith. We vastly outnumber them and nothing is stronger than the people.
Thirties Child
(543 posts)I cried more tears than I knew I had in me in April, 1968. I felt a loving, caring, coming together in Atlanta then. We drove with our lights on, we had work to do, we could express our feelings by marching. My husband was acting Division for UPI then (back when UPI meant something). He sat at his typewriter and cried as he wrote the funeral story.
rurallib
(62,420 posts)previous to Benedict Donald we had leaders who would push things, but eventually had limits.
Trump doesn't. Nor does the current crop of Republicans who will literally do and say anything for a vote.
They have no morals, no limits, no boundaries
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)how much they loved this country, by blocking EVERYTHING President Obama tried to do. A decent, intelligent, family values man was scorned by people like McConnell and Ryan, two failures as human beings in my view. Imagine how far this country could have advanced if there had been cooperation from the gop? They are racist, ignorant people. They HAVE to be voted out of office at the next opportunity. Most people recognized tRump for the disaster that he is, right away. He has no idea what the hell he is doing, ambles along making outrageous statements (and tweets) He ambles onto the stage looking like a bloated orange clown. He loves to have cameras on him, why is anyone's guess. He is repulsive in every way, from every angle.
Freedomofspeech
(4,226 posts)I no longer recognize this country. In my 69 years, I too, have experienced al lot including the loss of my brother to Vietnam. I am afraid every morning when I wake up to some new fresh hell.
Botany
(70,516 posts).... ever be.
I wish you well.
Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)There are many despairing souls who take each day of Trumpism as another body blow and then stand up to keep fighting. Every day, I post articles that criticize Trump or his policies or explain how the Republican Congress is damaging citizens to my Facebook page, and I usually write comments that explain a bit of history or clarify misconceptions of conservatives or even present Trump as delusional. I have marched in protests and donated to progressive causes and candidates. I have called my members of Congress repeatedly. I joined an Indivisible group in my home town. But today, all that is not enough. I'm appalled by last weekend's events and Trump's responses, plus the interview with the white nationalists/American Nazis, and I know that our country is in serious danger. I'm not a national activist by any means, I'm just one person who voices my opinion when I can. If we all speak out whenever and wherever we can, if we work to get the half of our fellow citizens who do not vote to register and vote, if we let our Congressional representatives know what we support and do not support, I have to believe that our actions will make a difference. Perhaps not as soon as we would hope, but maybe as soon as 2018. Peace.
Ligyron
(7,633 posts)A certain number of citizens will suddenly realize they have similar views and, boy that sure looks like fun! What bothers me most is their age, they're young.
Still, we outnumber them and will win in the end but it's going to be rough ride. It may get a lot darker before it gets light too.
c-rational
(2,593 posts)calimary
(81,304 posts)One benefit of this place - when we stick together, it's a genuine pleasure. Can be reinvigorating. When we manage that, we're all exponentially stronger.
barbtries
(28,798 posts)there's a meme on twitter today, #BePositiveIn4Words
i tweeted "I can't, not today"
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Come here to vent, lean on your children, and remember, "we got this." We will not let them prevail. It may not be a pretty process, but we will not let them prevail. We are right. We will persist. We will win.
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)hamsterjill
(15,221 posts)Man, you've lived through enough for three lifetimes!
I think we are ALL due for something good to happen. The only good thing that I see right now is the fact that there is an awakening and a dialogue about race relations, and I am gratified to see some (note the use of the word "SOME" leaders speaking out. I was gratified to know that the Joint Chiefs have spoken out today.
Now, if only MORE of the people in power would speak out and condemn this. The answer is going to be to totally outnumber the racists. We are never going to educate those who refuse to be educated, and we're not going to eradicate the belief from those who choose to have that belief. So, we've got to simply outnumber them.
Trump's views are in the minority. I really believe that. The great majority of Americans - of WHATEVER decent - want equality and want to focus on real problems instead of fighting battles that should have been over generations ago. I take heart in knowing that most of the people that I know and interact with are part of that majority. Now, we just need to do a better job of channeling that majority to the voting booth!!!!!!
Raster
(20,998 posts)...members of the Jewish community in Charlottesville, VA basically huddled in fear at their Sabbat prayer services, with the white supremacist/Amerinazis rioting all around them.
I cried at my desk this morning. This is 2017. This is the United States of America.
I am a gay, white, 60-year old man, and I too have never felt so much despair. The pictures of six or seven white guys with pipes beating one 20-year old black kid as he lay on the concrete in a parking garage have rendered me numb.
That the President of the United States would even attempt to make excuses for the white supremacist Amerinazis has chilled my soul. This is worse than I expected, and I expected the trump* days to be shit.
You are not alone.
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)born in the early 20th century keep saying this time is bad. I feel like this is the start of something really really bad for the US but hearing it from people who have lived through WWII and various social uprests seems to confirm that.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)... but I think we've reached a turning point. Things may get worse before they get better .... but they WILL get better
Hugin
(33,159 posts)I, too... Am low. Probably the lowest I've ever been.
But, above all, remember, you are not alone!
Egnever
(21,506 posts)There was also much to be hopeful about. Trump pulled his stunt yesterday and the response has been deafening even Fox news is having a hard time defending him.
The people came out in force in Charleston to show what they think of these Nazi assholes and today one of the organizing dirtbags posted a video crying that he is scared for his life.
America has been pretty forceful in their condemnation of these clowns from every corner but the white house, and I am not sure the white house will recover from the damage Cheeto did to himself yesterday.
It is always darkest before the dawn. Is that not how the saying goes. I think we got a good look at the sun coming up over the horizon yesterday from everyone except the president.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)But after a few moments I realized that it helped.
It helped me to come to the realization that I have work to do.
I have to communicate my displeasure to those in positions of influence.
I have to volunteer where practical.
I have to assist financially to the best of my ability.
I have to speak out in whatever forum is available.
I have to stay focused.
I have to vote.
And above all....
I have to defend the less able with every resource at my disposal.
Thankyou for venting. It helped me...
calimary
(81,304 posts)EVERY doggone time.
niyad
(113,329 posts)VERY bastardized latin for "don't let the bastards grind you down!"
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Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)And goodbye.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Great Op-ed today. I thought this expressed things well. If love trumps hate, anger may trump despair.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-dont-make-white-nazis-kkk-legitimate-normal-20170815-story.html
progressoid
(49,991 posts)Solly Mack
(90,769 posts)ananda
(28,865 posts)My dad's family farmed in the Panhandle in the thirties
and finally had to give it up and move a little south of
Dallas to farm. They had a really hard life.
What's interesting is that Roosevelt and the New Deal
saved their lives. They thought he was God.
But as time went by and life got better, the racism took
hold in a big way so that my dad, my aunts and uncles
all became super rightwingers. It was hard to watch.
That's how it is for a lot of white people in this country.
I'll take anything the government has to offer if I need
it, but I don't want to give or share with Black people
or others who I don't deem worthy.
My uncle was always distinguishing between Blacks
and Mexicans with the term "hard working." You get my
drift.
Racism, bigotry, and intolerance is literally destroying this country.
Thirties Child
(543 posts)You are right. Roosevelt and the New Deal saved their lives, and their descendants are, it seems to me, the most radical right group in the country. In 2004 my home county, Ochiltree. bragged on their website that they gave a higher percentage of votes to Bush than any county in the country. I've lived in Georgia since 1963, feel the plains are far more conservative than the South.
ananda
(28,865 posts)I can understand how that move toward the rightwing happened
with my Texas family, because of the racism .. and yet I will
never understand because in so many ways it's completely
irrational.
It's as though the racism takes over all other good thinking and issues.
Thirties Child
(543 posts)Or it shouldn't. Not that many blacks to be prejudiced about; I'm not sure how they feel about the Hispanics who have flooded the place. Not much, I was told by a wonderfully successful young Hispanic woman who grew up in Dumas. She still remembers being refused service at a restaurant.
I think a lot of it is cold, hard I've-got-mine-and-you-can't-have-any-of-it. Case in point. In 1968 several of us who had moved away happened to be in town at the same time. We had an impromptu class reunion. The reunion was them 15, me 1. I will never forget the woman who got all kinds of government handouts (oil depletion allowance for starters) who said she would let a three-year-old starve to death before she would give the parents welfare. It leaves me breathless just to write about it, even after all these years. I'm sure she's all about Trump, if, that is, she's still alive.
I also think it's about exposure. I have two sisters, and we all came out of Perryton High School conservative. One stayed in Texas (DFW) and is as conservative as ever. Two of us moved away, moved away from Texas and moved away from conservatism.
On the positive side, I'm on Facebook with four classmates. Two think Trump can do no wrong, Obama could do good, and right now it's all about fake news. The other two are wonderfully liberal. Yea!!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Despair is a natural reaction, but one that can be overcome with a little determination.
Worry about what you can do and change and support; however small or little that action might be.
Let go of the things you can't change. If you are doing at least some small things to help, it is easier to let go.
Even if all you can do today is make a child smile one time today, do that.
Peace unto you.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)Very interesting post thanks for this. We will stop the orange traitor Nazi. I don't think he will make it to 20...resignation, impeachment...or article 25.
Books_Tea_Alone
(253 posts)I fully agree that we are on the precipice of something big. Deep down, I believe good will prevail over evil and more importantly, Karma will be swift and just. In the meantime we just need to be our best selves we can be in our jobs, relationships and interactions with other people.
Thirties Child
(543 posts)Genocide. Slavery. Jim Crow. The radical right. This country has racked up a lot of debts.
Butterflylady
(3,544 posts)I've seen a lot of presidents come and go, but I've never cried for my country the way I have now. This just breaks my heart.
classykaren
(769 posts)oppressedproletarian
(243 posts)...for all you have lived through. Glad you are still here to tell the tale!
I am 67 and sick at heart with what this country has become...or maybe always was. It is a daily assault of ugliness and outrage that seems unbearable. Alas!
Thanks sharing the view from 82. Onward and upward my friends!