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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's not "changing history" to acknowledge Washington and Jefferson were slave owners
and yes, maybe we should remove monuments to them and replace them with educational material about the ugly parts of their lives.
The changing of history was done by the whitewashing of slave-owning America.
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It's not "changing history" to acknowledge Washington and Jefferson were slave owners (Original Post)
OriginalGeek
Aug 2017
OP
No, but by modern standards Jefferson was a straight-up monster and a vile human being.
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2017
#4
shraby
(21,946 posts)1. They weren't traitors to the county by waging a war to secede from the Union.
Only the confederacy fits the bill and should not be honored.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)2. They were traitors to slaves
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)4. No, but by modern standards Jefferson was a straight-up monster and a vile human being.
To say nothing of being a monstrous hypocrite.
It is safe to predict that the liberal-Jeffersonian tradition will become extinct fairly early in the coming century. The huge contradiction within that tradition with regard to race renders it unfit to survive in a multiracial society. But the inevitable rejection of Jefferson by liberals in a multiracial America will draw increasingly favorable attention to Jefferson on the far right. The very reasons for which liberals will have to reject him will compel the far right to adopt him. Or rather re-adopt him, for he was a hero to southern white supremacists.
Doctrinally, Jefferson is a patron saint far more suitable to white supremacists than to modern American liberals. The themes of states' rights and no free blacks in America fit the positions of the far-right militia movement like a glove. Tom Watson's old title The Jeffersonian could well be revived in the next century, and with the same racist content.
Rhetorically and emotionally also, the mystical Jefferson -- the Jefferson of the tree of liberty and of the French Revolution -- meets the needs of the modern far right. Jefferson's liberty, a powerfully emotive concept, unanalyzed and without intellectual content, is the kind of liberty the militias love: Burke's "wild gas"of liberty.
The Jefferson who admired Shays's rebels and hoped they would find imitators in later generations, and who inspired the Virginia and Kentucky resolutions of 1798, is providing those who now resist the federal government with clear warrant for their cause, and for the use of armed force should the incursions of the federal government make that necessary.
Finally, the Jefferson who made a cult of the French Revolution provides aid and comfort not just to the far right in government but to the most ferocious militant extremists. In the paroxysms of his enthusiasm for the French Revolution, in January of 1793, Jefferson laid down the principle that there are (virtually) no limits to the slaughter that may legitimately be perpetrated in the name of liberty -- so that anyone in modern America who is planning any act of mass destruction may invoke the sanction of "the author of the Declaration of Independence," provided only that the act is deemed to be perpetrated in the holy cause of liberty.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1996/10/thomas-jefferson-radical-and-racist/376685/
Doctrinally, Jefferson is a patron saint far more suitable to white supremacists than to modern American liberals. The themes of states' rights and no free blacks in America fit the positions of the far-right militia movement like a glove. Tom Watson's old title The Jeffersonian could well be revived in the next century, and with the same racist content.
Rhetorically and emotionally also, the mystical Jefferson -- the Jefferson of the tree of liberty and of the French Revolution -- meets the needs of the modern far right. Jefferson's liberty, a powerfully emotive concept, unanalyzed and without intellectual content, is the kind of liberty the militias love: Burke's "wild gas"of liberty.
The Jefferson who admired Shays's rebels and hoped they would find imitators in later generations, and who inspired the Virginia and Kentucky resolutions of 1798, is providing those who now resist the federal government with clear warrant for their cause, and for the use of armed force should the incursions of the federal government make that necessary.
Finally, the Jefferson who made a cult of the French Revolution provides aid and comfort not just to the far right in government but to the most ferocious militant extremists. In the paroxysms of his enthusiasm for the French Revolution, in January of 1793, Jefferson laid down the principle that there are (virtually) no limits to the slaughter that may legitimately be perpetrated in the name of liberty -- so that anyone in modern America who is planning any act of mass destruction may invoke the sanction of "the author of the Declaration of Independence," provided only that the act is deemed to be perpetrated in the holy cause of liberty.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1996/10/thomas-jefferson-radical-and-racist/376685/
DK504
(3,847 posts)3. This deranged person in the WH, won't call him pres*dent, has never read a book.
Much less a history book.
kcr
(15,317 posts)5. It's an argument to excuse keeping Confederate moments up
Don't help them frame the argument. You don't have to deny the fact they owned slaves, but don't support their talking points.