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IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:13 PM Aug 2017

Why there are Confederate statues in states that weren't in the Confederacy?

https://news.vice.com/story/confederate-statues-are-all-over-states-that-werent-in-the-confederacy

The inscription on the Confederate Memorial Fountain in Helena, Montana, says it “sits in longing tribute to our Confederate soldiers.” But there are a few things wrong with the monument, a granite fountain erected in 1916 by the United Daughters of the Confederacy: Montana didn’t have any Confederate dead. It didn’t have any Union dead. That’s because there was no Montana during the Civil War.

Helena’s fountain isn’t alone. As of 2016, at least 22 of the over 1,500 Confederate memorials scattered across the United States sit in areas that weren’t even part of the U.S. when the Confederacy existed, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Dozens more live in states that operated under split governments during the Civil War, like Kentucky, which contributed half as many Confederate soldiers as Union soldiers to the fighting but which now hosts 56 Confederate memorials and just two Union ones (the mayor of Lexington, Kentucky, is taking steps to remove two Confederate statues from the city).

But the existence of these monuments is less a testament to what actually happened in the Civil War or the heritage of the Confederacy than the fervor to rewrite the telling of the war decades after, when a flurry of monument-building filled the landscape with landmarks, even where they have a dubious connection to actual history.

“There was a really big systematic push to promote the history of the Confederacy and the so-called ‘‘lost cause’ that was largely engineered by women’s groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy, which had a very overt and systematic plan to rewrite textbooks, to erect public monuments that would establish the ‘true’ history of the war,” said Kirk Savage, an expert on Confederate monuments and their role in collective memory.




Many of these statues don't have any connection to local history and were put up many decades after the civil war ended. It's not like people who lose a war are rushing to build monuments to remember their crushing loss.

It's interesting that the state that elected the first woman to the US Congress also decided they needed a confederate monument around the same time. Montana didn't exist during the civil war. It wasn't even a territory then.

Wealthy racists can put these monuments in their private museums if they want.
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Why there are Confederate statues in states that weren't in the Confederacy? (Original Post) IronLionZion Aug 2017 OP
Intimidation and nothing more. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #1
Apparently there is one in Seattle, that I wasn't even aware of. LisaM Aug 2017 #2
Its in Lakeview Cemetery, not a public park maxsolomon Aug 2017 #4
Because racism isn't solely a Southern thing KitSileya Aug 2017 #3
Check your history recovering_democrat Aug 2017 #5
Exactly, it's not about heritage IronLionZion Aug 2017 #7
Thanks for the info. eom UtahLib Aug 2017 #6
I was wondering the same thing... rusty fender Aug 2017 #8

LisaM

(27,812 posts)
2. Apparently there is one in Seattle, that I wasn't even aware of.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:16 PM
Aug 2017

Washington wasn't a state during the Civil War, either. I find this interesting, because these monuments themselves were put up in an attempt to rewrite history.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
4. Its in Lakeview Cemetery, not a public park
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:25 PM
Aug 2017

I presume that is a on a plot that was purchased outright like any gravesite.

The owners have a decision on their hands that could expose them legally if they break that deed.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
3. Because racism isn't solely a Southern thing
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:16 PM
Aug 2017

There's plenty of racism in the North too - and plenty of racists who got angry when African-Americans fought for equality. Oregon was a sundown state - no Blacks allowed, period. It is not in the South. I am actually surprised the racists in Eastern Oregon hasn't put up a statue of a Confederacy general, to be honest.

5. Check your history
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:25 PM
Aug 2017

Whether in the states of the Confederacy or not the time frame of the monuments specially evidences periods in the early 1900s when KIK, other white separatists and anti civil rights activity was designed to remind who in charge. The UDC did a fabulous job conserving confederate cemeteries in the South to honor the "glorious dead " but also put on a good show about confirming these people as heroes.

In elementary school in the 1950s we were only allowed to refer to the "Waasaah" as the War Between the States. CIVIL WAR was unacceptable.

Read the history. Those who forget it, like the Nazis, are doomed to repeat it. Let's not go there.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
7. Exactly, it's not about heritage
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 01:49 PM
Aug 2017

and it's important to point out why.

So Charlottesville renamed Robert E. Lee park to Emancipation park. Similarly, many monuments to slavers who lost wars could be replaced by civil rights leaders or local historical figures who did good things. If it has to do with local history, then a case could be made for why it's more relevant to a place's heritage than the confederate stuff.

Many of the "heritage not hate" crowd don't personally have any family who were involved in the confederacy. They just like the benefits.

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