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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPence is canceling the test of his international trip and coming home tomorrow
Let's hope it's to sign a letter re 25th Amendment.
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volstork
(5,401 posts)it's probably just to hold the pacifier in trump's mouth
Luciferous
(6,081 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)It's been reported for the last couple days that his trip has basically been useless. He's probably better utilized trying to put out fires in the US.
Vinca
(50,276 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)VMA131Marine
(4,139 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)in the WH -
TRUTH - a pure word..will always win out.....Persist, Resist!!!!
Brother Buzz
(36,440 posts)dalton99a
(81,514 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)He was so popular, he didn't feel right about basking in so much adoration, decided he'd better get back to his job.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)VMA131Marine
(4,139 posts)provided that Pence agrees to pardon him. He will announce that he tried but the country isn't good enough for him.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)Mueller's recommendations don't have to be just federal, they can be handed off to the state level.
Trump stepped up to the big leagues and wasn't prepared for it.
BannonsLiver
(16,389 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,389 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)I think you are correct that the current procedures line up that way but the wording in the constitution is pretty absolute.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)The president's pardon power is extreme it applies to any federal crimes, is entirely within the president's discretion and is completely unreviewable (with one important exception that I'll get to in a bit).
The Constitution is quite clear about this. Article II, section 2 states, "The President ... shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment." No one else has this power not Congress, nor the federal courts.
This pardon power has limits, but not any that are relevant here. For instance, Trump would not be able to pardon someone for a state, local or foreign crime. He also could not protect someone from having a lawsuit brought against him, either in federal or state court.
What you're thinking of is:
"The president's power even extends to people who have not yet been charged with a crime."
But what we're talking about is that he won't be charged with a federal crime, he'll be charged through various states instead, and he cannot pardon that.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)I assumed we were talking about federal charges.
It will be fun seeing him trying to squirm out of state charges, should they be filed.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)SweetieD
(1,660 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Nazi defender, Evangelical lunatic taking over the Presidency.
Can we just do a double impeachment?
eleny
(46,166 posts)But what a sorry state of affairs if they feel they need Pence to help them dig out of this quicksand.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)Trump has lost all respect and hopefully all his suckups will lose all respect too
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)He'd be worse but he won't have the fanatic base trumpenfuhrer does.
Sedona
(3,769 posts)Does an "acting" POTUS have the power to pardon?