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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 04:34 PM Aug 2017

Photographer perfectly shuts down Fox News' request to use his Charlottesville photos

NYC Solidarity staged a march they didn't have a permit for. There were some arrests. A photographer has been documenting NYC's response. FOX News asked if they could use his photos (with attribution). He had the perfect response:



Full story and photos at: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/15/1690018/-Photographer-perfectly-shuts-down-Fox-News-request-to-use-his-Charlottesville-photos

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Photographer perfectly shuts down Fox News' request to use his Charlottesville photos (Original Post) Stonepounder Aug 2017 OP
We should all treat FN as a symptom of this coup disease we're in. ffr Aug 2017 #1
I laughed in the face of the last person who told me they watched Fox news. And it wasn't Maraya1969 Aug 2017 #2
I've been doing protests in public places re Fox -- LuckyLib Aug 2017 #11
For years I have requested businesses... Pacifist Patriot Aug 2017 #15
One person saying NO is all it takes to start a movement. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2017 #38
Awesome reply oswaldactedalone Aug 2017 #3
Corporations never sleep. surrealAmerican Aug 2017 #4
What makes you think the Daily Kos compensated him for it ? nt MichMan Aug 2017 #23
Did I say that? surrealAmerican Aug 2017 #34
Daily Kos is a corporate media outlet MichMan Aug 2017 #39
I actually hope Fox News stays on message LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #5
I'm sure they already have that figured out - they'll support whichever position is more profitable groundloop Aug 2017 #6
"Trumptanic" northoftheborder Aug 2017 #37
And I bet they were only offering him a credit line. No licensing fee. progressoid Aug 2017 #7
I wonder how much he was paid by the Daily Kos? nt MichMan Aug 2017 #12
WTF? Stonepounder Aug 2017 #17
Don't you think photographers should be paid for their work? MichMan Aug 2017 #18
Well, I went and looked. Stonepounder Aug 2017 #20
When it says Getty, the website pays a monthly licensing fee for a set number of images. TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #25
Posting a pic online does not make it public domain. Beartracks Aug 2017 #26
Well, here's the appropriate section of Twitter's 'Terms of Use": Stonepounder Aug 2017 #28
Damn, that license DOES sound... very public domain-y. Beartracks Aug 2017 #29
x2 - What a bunch of cheap fucks... In Perpetuum across their entire network for just attribution. TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #19
So they stole it in other words MichMan Aug 2017 #22
Not steal it, they want it granted to them for free. Oh, we'll acknowledge you as the picture taker. TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #24
What's the photog's equivalent of a "mike drop"? Fritz Walter Aug 2017 #8
"Shuttering?" MyOwnPeace Aug 2017 #14
Awesome "FU" response. And posters here are right, if FOX pretends to change flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #9
Perfect malaise Aug 2017 #10
Good for you keep it up hope you do very well with your photography blueinredohio Aug 2017 #13
YES! Nitram Aug 2017 #16
Truth True Dough Aug 2017 #21
Yeah, but how did the photographer REALLY feel... TheDebbieDee Aug 2017 #27
I can't give this enough recs! southerncrone Aug 2017 #30
Bam !! Head Shot to Fox News! yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #31
Both sides don't do this wallyworld2 Aug 2017 #32
Fox News nazis. How'd that grabya? oasis Aug 2017 #33
"...you empower nazis and incite racist violence..." Raster Aug 2017 #35
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Aug 2017 #36

ffr

(22,670 posts)
1. We should all treat FN as a symptom of this coup disease we're in.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 04:44 PM
Aug 2017

Stop patronizing them. Stop watching them. Shun those you know who do, especially shame those who watch religiously.

FUCK YOU Fox! FUCK the FUCK YOU!!

Maraya1969

(22,482 posts)
2. I laughed in the face of the last person who told me they watched Fox news. And it wasn't
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 04:56 PM
Aug 2017

fake, I seriously thought he was ridiculous.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
11. I've been doing protests in public places re Fox --
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:50 PM
Aug 2017

changed dentists, ask to change the channel in medical waiting rooms, express surprise that this drivel is on in someone's business. Each and every time. We all need to "Just say no."

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
15. For years I have requested businesses...
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:44 PM
Aug 2017

airing FN in their waiting areas "change the channel to a news station." I have literally received applause on occasion.

Only once denied by an apologetic office manager who said doctor insisted. Yep, told him exactly why I was changing doctors.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
38. One person saying NO is all it takes to start a movement.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 10:06 AM
Aug 2017

Look at how quickly Trumpf's business councils fell apart after Frazier resigned.

surrealAmerican

(11,361 posts)
4. Corporations never sleep.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:25 PM
Aug 2017

They have no conscience, and they feel no guilt.

The photographer did the right thing, but it will not shame or trouble the entity that is "Fox News".

MichMan

(11,932 posts)
39. Daily Kos is a corporate media outlet
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 12:49 PM
Aug 2017

They apparently stole his picture, so I don't consider them to have much of a conscience either

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
5. I actually hope Fox News stays on message
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:34 PM
Aug 2017

It would be better if they were not to suddenly switch over and condemn Trump. Because they would not only gain credibility with the moderate/right crowd (while losing the smaller demographic of the extreme right), but they could easily pivot to Pence as being the saviour as well as the House and Senate Republicans riding on this new wave of 'credibility'. The longer they ride the Trumptanic the better as it will be that much harder to swim back up to the surface when he finally crashes for good.

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
6. I'm sure they already have that figured out - they'll support whichever position is more profitable
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:49 PM
Aug 2017

They'll abandon 45* the instant they think they can make a bigger profit backing Pence and other less radioactive repukes.

MichMan

(11,932 posts)
18. Don't you think photographers should be paid for their work?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:43 PM
Aug 2017

I do a lot of photography of amateur sporting events and it can be a lot of hard work with very little monetary reward. While it is just a hobby for me, I do know others who are trying to make a living shooting pictures

I would expect that if a well know news outlet or website asked to use my photos that I would be compensated. Just hoping he received adequate payment for his hard work.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
20. Well, I went and looked.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:57 PM
Aug 2017

In the post on KOS, the first photo says "attribution: Getty Images/Drew Angerer", all other photos where tweeted by Keegan Stephan, the photographer talked about in the story. I'm not a lawyer, and not particularly conversant on copyright law, but I suspect that once you tweet out one of your pics, it is pretty much public domain.

TheBlackAdder

(28,205 posts)
25. When it says Getty, the website pays a monthly licensing fee for a set number of images.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:19 PM
Aug 2017

Mainly, those images are per article and run for duration, but cannot be reapportioned to other posts.

Often, you'll see a website post the same image of a person on multiple posts, this is because they might purchase an unlimited image package, where they buy the rights to use an image for a given period of time, as often as they want. They might buy a package of 20 images, 50, 100, or whatever.

Mind you, they never own the image, just the rights to use it.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
26. Posting a pic online does not make it public domain.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:28 PM
Aug 2017

I'm no expert either, but I do know that artists can go after you if you steal one of their pieces via download or screenshot just because you can, and use it on a blog, a flyer, an ad or commercial venture, etc. Artist acquaintances of mine struggle with this all the time when they post images to galleries, online shops and such, even with copyright watermarks.

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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
28. Well, here's the appropriate section of Twitter's 'Terms of Use":
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:50 PM
Aug 2017
You retain your rights to any Content you submit, post or display on or through the Services. What’s yours is yours — you own your Content (and your photos and videos are part of the Content).

By submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through the Services, you grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, reproduce, process, adapt, modify, publish, transmit, display and distribute such Content in any and all media or distribution methods (now known or later developed). This license authorizes us to make your Content available to the rest of the world and to let others do the same. You agree that this license includes the right for Twitter to provide, promote, and improve the Services and to make Content submitted to or through the Services available to other companies, organizations or individuals for the syndication, broadcast, distribution, promotion or publication of such Content on other media and services, subject to our terms and conditions for such Content use. Such additional uses by Twitter, or other companies, organizations or individuals, may be made with no compensation paid to you with respect to the Content that you submit, post, transmit or otherwise make available through the Services.


It seems to me that paragraph 1 sort of contradicts the last sentence of paragraph 2, but I think we've beaten this horse to death already. I'll let y'all hash it out, maybe in a different OP.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
29. Damn, that license DOES sound... very public domain-y.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 12:08 AM
Aug 2017

"We can use it however we want, other people can share it all over the world, and we can sublicense it out to other companies to use it, too... forever. Thanks for the free photo!"

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MichMan

(11,932 posts)
22. So they stole it in other words
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:07 PM
Aug 2017

I bet within the next few weeks however, they will have some post about businesses committing wage theft against workers

TheBlackAdder

(28,205 posts)
24. Not steal it, they want it granted to them for free. Oh, we'll acknowledge you as the picture taker.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 11:14 PM
Aug 2017

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
8. What's the photog's equivalent of a "mike drop"?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:12 PM
Aug 2017

'Cuz this photog just won the "world's best" award for shutting (shuttering?) down the textbook definition of fake news.


flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
9. Awesome "FU" response. And posters here are right, if FOX pretends to change
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:15 PM
Aug 2017

their strips and denounce 45, then they can convince their idiot viewers that they are part of the solution. They will never be part of the solution. They helped create this monster, and they need to be made accountable.

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