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Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:08 PM Aug 2017

Does this feel like a turning point to anyone else?

Look, I'm not naïve, and I know that there's still a long way to go before Republicans publicly turn on him - which has to happen before this nightmare can officially end.

That said, this does feel like a turning point. Huge corporations are speaking out, Republicans are getting as close to the line as they've ever been in terms of publicly rebuking him, and the collective mood seems to have finally come around to full-fledged condemnation.

Again, I still think that we have a long ways to go, but when we look back I really think that this incident could mark the beginning of the end.

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Does this feel like a turning point to anyone else? (Original Post) Bleacher Creature Aug 2017 OP
it should be...it feels like it should be...but will it be? NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #1
I said that two years ago. (click) I said that two years ago. (click) I said that.... NT mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2017 #2
It does but I don't want to get my hopes up... Dem_4_Life Aug 2017 #3
I'm sorry, but no. The GOP will never repudiate him. Aristus Aug 2017 #4
They'll turn on him if they think he'll drag them down in the next election. Bleacher Creature Aug 2017 #13
Nope, Nixon was 24% and dems still had to push to get impeachment ... Most KGOP still not openly... uponit7771 Aug 2017 #5
Today's GOP are more unhinged as a group than in Nixon's time. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2017 #21
Yes, I feel the same way. GallopingGhost Aug 2017 #6
No. The republicans have to remove him and they won't because kacekwl Aug 2017 #24
As far as his base is concerned, yes. GallopingGhost Aug 2017 #32
I do. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #7
I would hope so, but kcr Aug 2017 #8
Absolutely. I've been on that same page with you since Saturday eleny Aug 2017 #9
It feels like a darkness is descending across the heartland of America, Pathwalker Aug 2017 #10
Not even remotely oberliner Aug 2017 #11
This is a tattoo forever in American history. Nobody will ever forget about this rockfordfile Aug 2017 #36
Fox News has already moved on oberliner Aug 2017 #38
There have been so many turning points that I'm dizzy. StarryNite Aug 2017 #12
I think the turning point had already started and this just pushed it over the cliff lunatica Aug 2017 #14
not even close AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #15
No... Everything I thought would be a "turning point" so far hasn't been Blue_Tires Aug 2017 #16
No! Floyd R. Turbo Aug 2017 #17
Give it a few more months. When the 2018 midterms begin... bluepen Aug 2017 #18
Nope. johnp3907 Aug 2017 #19
No. The wagons are circling frogmarch Aug 2017 #20
We'll see. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #22
I've seen that movie before.... ollie10 Aug 2017 #23
No lunasun Aug 2017 #25
If you think this is bad just wait. The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #26
Only if we hound them and make them suffer for not denouncing him and what he said. Otherwise Squinch Aug 2017 #27
Republicans will make noises, but they won't dare lift a finger dalton99a Aug 2017 #28
Not a Turning Point Leith Aug 2017 #29
Hmmm. Let's see. How many "turning points" have we have since the inauguration? Dozens maybe? Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #30
If it's not Meowmee Aug 2017 #31
Election night seemed like the turning point n/t leftstreet Aug 2017 #33
A turning point for many individuals, I think gratuitous Aug 2017 #34
He won't be cast a side scarytomcat Aug 2017 #35
I'll consider calling it a turning point when he leaves the White House as ex-President struggle4progress Aug 2017 #37

Aristus

(66,380 posts)
4. I'm sorry, but no. The GOP will never repudiate him.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:10 PM
Aug 2017

He's the President they've been dreaming of for 40 years.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
13. They'll turn on him if they think he'll drag them down in the next election.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:19 PM
Aug 2017

We're certainly far from that point, but I do wonder whether these last couple of days may have helped build some momentum.

Otherwise, I agree that there's still quite a slog ahead of us.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
5. Nope, Nixon was 24% and dems still had to push to get impeachment ... Most KGOP still not openly...
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:12 PM
Aug 2017

.. rebuking Americas Nazi Sympathizer in Chief and not enough down ballot losses.

Trump will have to hug a brown person or literally kill a baby on live TV and then he still might retain control

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
21. Today's GOP are more unhinged as a group than in Nixon's time.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:49 PM
Aug 2017

Big obstacle.
BUT.....that money laundering thing taints Ryan and McConnell and other Repugs, and Pence is behind the 8 ball for obstruction ( re: Flynn),
so
this was a pretty big fuck up for Trump AND for his supporters.

Also, side thought...I am seeing wonderful, innovative tactics coming from the left, thankfully.
We-they- know it is important to keep the pressure up.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
6. Yes, I feel the same way.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:13 PM
Aug 2017

After yesterday, everyone must choose.

You are either with the fascists or against them.

There is no middle ground.

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
24. No. The republicans have to remove him and they won't because
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:13 PM
Aug 2017

they will continue to timidly condem trump until this blows over which it will. They will only act after he can't help them pass fascist laws anymore then it will be time for Pence to take over. Trump has done more that enough to be removed by any standard. I really believe he could shoot someone on 5th ave and it would not matter. Provided it was the "right" person.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
32. As far as his base is concerned, yes.
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 05:55 PM
Aug 2017

There is nothing he can say or do that will sway his hardcore supporters away from him. And I agree that he has done more than enough to be removed from office. The hypocrite Repukes would have impeached a Democrat for one-tenth the amount of bullshit.

I stand by what I said. You are either a Nazi or you aren't. No middle ground.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
7. I do.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:14 PM
Aug 2017

I think Trump is actively alienating himself from almost every element of society, including the Republican leadership.

He is going to prove too costly a burden for them to shoulder, and they will have no loyalty issues when the moment comes.

Trump hurt himself badly this week. It is a turning point from which he can't recover.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
8. I would hope so, but
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:16 PM
Aug 2017

I've felt this way before. I can't count how many times I've thought, "Surely this will be the thing that ends him." It seems like one thing after another, each being worse than the last and it seems like it will never end. It's hard to believe it's still been less than a year.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
9. Absolutely. I've been on that same page with you since Saturday
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:17 PM
Aug 2017

Heyer's death and that of the two officers has put a crack in their armor. They're flailing.

The business council thing has evaporated and to make things worse Storm Front even called for disrupting Heather's funeral.

His bravado in the q&a yesterday isn't powerful enough to dig themselves out of this episode.

Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
10. It feels like a darkness is descending across the heartland of America,
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:18 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)

and I'm not talking about the eclipse, although it seems very symbolic.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Not even remotely
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:19 PM
Aug 2017

I would say about two weeks and it's all but forgotten, and the Trump-led Republicans are on to other topics.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
36. This is a tattoo forever in American history. Nobody will ever forget about this
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:43 PM
Aug 2017

This was basically a attack on Americans.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
14. I think the turning point had already started and this just pushed it over the cliff
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:22 PM
Aug 2017

Sorry for the mixed metaphors!

He'll want to go back to scaring us to death with Kim Jong un just to get control again, but that won't help. Going from disaster to disaster is wearing thin. We're all getting quite exhausted.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
16. No... Everything I thought would be a "turning point" so far hasn't been
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:35 PM
Aug 2017

Going even back to the Republican primaries...

I still say things will get much worse... We haven't seen the half of it

bluepen

(620 posts)
18. Give it a few more months. When the 2018 midterms begin...
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:39 PM
Aug 2017

They'll really start to evaluate how much he hurts their reelection chances. That's what it's going to take.

johnp3907

(3,731 posts)
19. Nope.
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:43 PM
Aug 2017

I remember all the "Trump is toast" posts here when the "grab 'em by the pussy" tape came out, and I knew it wouldn't matter. We can't expect others to fight this battle. It's all on us.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
20. No. The wagons are circling
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:48 PM
Aug 2017

to protect 45. Nothing's gonna happen. We may be stuck with him for the long haul.

I hope I am wrong.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
23. I've seen that movie before....
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:51 PM
Aug 2017

How many times has Trump done something that we turn to our spouse and say, "is this what will be the thing that sinks him"?

Then nothing happens.

Until the next stupid thing he does or says. And the cycle continues.

Those who still support him.....have stuck with him through pxssy grabbing, insulting McCain's war service, insulting a gold star family, trump university, doubting a judge's impartiality due to his heritage, calling Cruz' dad a conspirator in JFK's assassination, giving top secret information to the Russians in the White House, the drip, drip, drip of Russia-gate, Comey's firing, making fun of a handicapped person, being a draft dodger.....

The list is a lot longer than that. And the question has always been, has he gone too far, now?

So we have yesterday's Trump Crisis.....and we are surprised that more people haven't turned on him?

Remember the subset of people who are still by his side.....they have stuck with him through some real crazy moments.

Why would we expect these people, who didn't run when he was grabbing pxssies, or any of the rest, to run now?

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
27. Only if we hound them and make them suffer for not denouncing him and what he said. Otherwise
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:37 PM
Aug 2017

it's just another brick in the wall.

But if we do, then yes. They're waiting to see if they will get away with it. If they do, it'll be business as usual.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
29. Not a Turning Point
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:43 PM
Aug 2017

Just the latest example of them spiraling out of control. rethugs are all like the cartoon of the Tasmanian Devil.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
30. Hmmm. Let's see. How many "turning points" have we have since the inauguration? Dozens maybe?
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 06:45 PM
Aug 2017

Unfortunately, turning points can only be accurately called in the rear-view mirror. We'll have to wait and see.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
31. If it's not
Wed Aug 16, 2017, 07:09 PM
Aug 2017

There is no hope left for this country. I'm afraid things will get much worse. I hope I'm wrong.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
34. A turning point for many individuals, I think
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 06:01 PM
Aug 2017

Right now, I see that turning point being manifested in "I don't want to talk about this anymore." Which signals to me that some individuals are figuring out that they can't squirm away from the inherent racism of their position. For years, they've dressed it up in civilized words like "heritage" and "history," but that dodge isn't working so well anymore.

I'm not letting up on this. We've got momentum and it's time to press our advantage. The Nazis overplayed their hand, and we must call them on it.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
35. He won't be cast a side
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 07:26 PM
Aug 2017

It will be better if we have a dysfunctional president and congress to run against in the next two elections. If the repubs are smart (?) they will dump him quick.

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