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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre you sure there is nothing to astrology??
This upcoming eclipse (or something) is creating a lot of chaos and confusion, it seems to me?
Perhaps it is just superstition? But I have always believed in signs. And these signs are always there but we tend to look beyond them, to all the shiny objects, and multiple distractions. But, that's just me.
When the large shadow of darkness (eclipse) cuts America in half, it will be very weird to be one of those folks in the shadow. For me, it is a sign for all of us to see. What does it mean? How will it affect us? How would we know?
Of course, we believe in science. We believe that gravity is a proven theory. We believe that the gravity of the Moon can affect our tides. And if the Moon can affect our tides, why do not other planets have gravitational affects upon Earth? Why would the large planet of Jupiter not have a gravitational affect upon Earth?
And what type of gravitational affect will this eclipse have upon Earth? It seems to be very rare? Perhaps it is only the Cosmos correcting course?
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Funtatlaguy
(10,886 posts)Trump is a Gemini.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)I had to look this shit up
https://hgelementalmercury.wordpress.com/2015/04/08/gemini-the-sad-clown-who-never-shuts-up/
Gemini The Sad Clown Who Never Shuts Up
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inanna
(3,547 posts)I do not think there is anything "dignified" about tRump.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)wtf? He is the polar opposite of dignified. What did the message say?
inanna
(3,547 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)see a person with such wildly different eyes. Many republicans really see him as dignified and refined, but almost all of us find him to be a loud, vulgar, disgusting boor.
inanna
(3,547 posts)And I completely agree with your (astute) observations of the piece of shit squatter in the WH.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Other than your personal feelings about the maggot there is not a truthful word in your post. Did you forget to use the sarcasm icon?
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)And for the record, A 1965 Ford Mustang driving past your house has a bigger gravitational effect on your body than the planet Jupiter does.
It's that r-squared that makes the difference.
Docreed2003
(16,875 posts)Lol!!
think4yourself
(838 posts)I need to know!
Docreed2003
(16,875 posts)I just cleaned my damn carburetor and replaced my head gaskets!!! I need to know this shit!! Lol
kentuck
(111,110 posts)That is impressive!
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)But not much.
Look up the mass of Jupiter and it's distance, plug that into the formula along with your own mass and compute the gravitational attraction.
Then do the same for the mass of a car at a distance of a hundred yards or so, and compute the gravitational attraction.
High school science. That's how I know that.
So let's work it out:
My mass = 68 kg (same for both)
Jupiter mass = 1.898 × 10^27 kg = 1898000000000000000000000000 kg
Jupiter distance, average = 588 million kilometers
Gravitational force = 249083844.23E -11 Newtons
Mass of a small car = 1354 kg
Distance to a nearby small car = 1 m
Gravitational force = 614359.63E -11 Newtons.
Use this handy calculator: https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/classical-physics/newtons-law.php
kentuck
(111,110 posts)It's too subtle to even affect my sub-conscious.
VMA131Marine
(4,149 posts)There are 1000 meters in a kilometer not 100
Force due to car is:6.14x10-6 N
Force due to Jupiter is: 2.49x10-5 N
but remember that the force of the Earth on you is 667 Newtons (68kg X 9.81 m/s^2); 26,781,300 times larger than the force due to Jupiter
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)brush
(53,847 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)What would happen if it was 180 degrees in opposition?
H2O Man
(73,605 posts)An auto passing by has zero gravitational effect on you. It could, depending upon how close it is, have another type of effect, distinct from gravity.
The effects from the moon can be measured on a cup of water. Being a Water Man, it may well have more effect on my affect than the average (or un-average) human being.
In closing, I shall quote Beatle John: "And we all shine on, like the moon, the stars and the sun..."
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Sorry to disagree:
A small car of 1300 or so kg, 1 meter from me exerts a force of 614359.63E -11 Newtons on my body. Elementary physics.
Look it up.
Google "gravitation force between two bodies".
H2O Man
(73,605 posts)listen to "Instant Karma."
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Newton's Third Law
These two forces are called action and reaction forces and are the subject of Newton's third law of motion. Formally stated, Newton's third law is: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects.
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/Lesson-4/Newton-s-Third-Law
H2O Man
(73,605 posts)warned me that you two would gang up on me today!
H2O Man
(73,605 posts)had the second glass of water ......
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Or else go study some
H2O Man
(73,605 posts)Science is dangerous.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)H2O Man
(73,605 posts)we get high.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I just think we're all insane and conditions are deteriorating. Hopefully we'll see a course correction soon.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)calikid
(584 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)eShirl
(18,503 posts)The reason we don't go flying off into the dark void of space is that the Sun's gravitational pull keeps us circling around it. The reason we have tides and ultimately weather is because of the Moon's gravitational pull. Our gravitational pull on the Moon also is part of what keeps it circling our planet.
Now join the pull of the Sun with the pull of the Moon and you have a combined gravitational pull of the Sun and the Moon at the same time.
Ptah
(33,037 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)I didn't say anything to dispute that
eShirl
(18,503 posts)The gravitational pull of the Moon is always the same.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Its orbit is an ellipse, not a perfect circle. When it's a little bit closer to the Earth (perigee), the gravitational force is a little bit stronger than when it's the farthest away (apogee).
But the gravitational force is unaffected by whether there's an eclipse.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,485 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,242 posts)Link to tweet
kentuck
(111,110 posts)An argument from authority, also called an appeal to authority, or the argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of defeasible argument in which a claimed authority's support is used as evidence for an argument's conclusion.
Argument from authority - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)A solar eclipse occurs somewhere on Earth every two years. This one is only special because the best viewing will be in North America.
That's factual no matter who the authority is.
HeartachesNhangovers
(815 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)but astronomical phenomena certainly can bring wonder and joy.
Oh yes - the correct equation is astrology equals bullshit!
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HeartachesNhangovers
(815 posts)historical insights about how people understood their place in the universe before the telescopic discoveries of the Renaissance started to build our current understanding. So it may be a valid area of historical study. However, people shouldn't plan their lives or change their plans based on astrological "information." That would be silly.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Reasonably certain.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)These are predictable physical phenomena. If they are "signs" then I guess everything is predestined.
Or, ya know, astrology is bullshit.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)My scientific knowledge doesn't prevent me from experiencing the awe of the cosmos when I look up at the night sky. But it does rule out the idea that micro-level tidal forces have an effect on human affairs.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Told me differently. ....
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Squinch
(51,004 posts)wait on that with open minded expectation.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)usually within a year of the eclipse, and usually by not very pleasant means. Assassinations, coups, the French Revolution, etc. IOW, NOT by their choice.
There are a number of videos by astrologers on FB, and one of them freaked me out (I do know and follow astrology - tho certainly not slavishly), because he did some research and said that THIS eclipse has components (other planets in place) which are astonishingly similar to an eclipse that accompanied the French Revolution, a time he noted where the folks that won turned on people and reined terror down on them too.
Another one that freaks me out discussed the tie-ins with North Korea.
People who think there's nothing to astrology haven't studied astrology - tho I did see one person here who claims s/he did and concluded that it was all bunk. Either s/he was lying, said studying was incredibly superficial, or s/he just didn't have the capacity to adequately judge. Or perhaps just wanted to be with the "in crowd" of skeptics.
But other things can happen too. No one knows exactly what -- or when -- but the events will be significant to severe and some at least will likely affect pretty much the entire country, perhaps especially those areas crossed by the eclipse path, which include at least two earthquake zones -- California and New Madrid. Studying the details of the eclipse -- the signs, houses, aspects, etc. -- give indicators of the kinds of things that may happen, and transits to the eclipse points provide timing hints.
Out of time for now. But here's a fairly decent vid on the Trump/Eclipse/NKorea nexis.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)..we would be experiencing tidal waves to the brain.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)Wait...
Leith
(7,813 posts)Its contribution to science ended about 3,000 years ago.
Alchemy has more relevance to chemistry than astrology has to anything but nonsense mythology.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)can have an affect on the newborn. For instance, influenza infection in the mother in the second trimester can increase schizophrenia and mental illness. Influenza typically occurs in the winter months. Meaning that this effect would be more pronounced in certain birth signs (gemini).
The length of days, amount of sunlight, temperature that the newborn is exposed to, foods that the nursing mother was eating (and vitamins which might have been scarce at certain times of the year) could have had a profound effect on the newborn brain back in the days when people did not have electric lights and ac and all the things we have now that give us seasonless lifestyles.
And, since our human genome is infinitely adaptable, there is no reason to assume that the human race is not hard wired to be born with exactly the traits that will make survival more certain. So, for instance, babies born in winter might be quieter in order not to disturb people stuck in caves. Those born in summer might be louder.
I believe the so called "star signs" were probably an attempt by early humans to explain characteristics which they noticed seemed to occur more often in those born around the same time of the year.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)The one on 8/21 will ONLY touch one country- the United States.
Another Total Solar Eclipse that will only touch the United States is scheduled to come 7 years from now, in 2024. It will travel in a diagonal that's opposite to the one coming next week.
So just to reiterate, it's been 241 years since a total solar eclipse has only touched the US, but now 2 total solar eclipses will only touch the United States within a 7 year period, and the path will form an X across the United States.
Feel free to draw your own conclusion.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)You can see that the path crosses Mexico and some of Canada.
So it won't "only touch the US" unless something crazy happens and the US merges with Mexico & Canada by 2024.
LeftInTX
(25,551 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)The effect of Jupiter's gravity on the earth is not zero, but it is negligible. Jupiter's main effect on Earth is that it tends to pull in rogue asteroids and thereby reduce the number of asteroids that could threaten Earth. Of course it could also change the orbital trajectory of formerly 'safe' asteroids and cause them to threaten earth.
This page does a decent job of explaining the pull of other planets on the earth.
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=3396
Other planets have almost no effect on Earth's gravitational pull. All objects (including planets) are attracted to each other by the force of gravity. How strong this attraction is depends on the size of the objects (mass) and how far apart they are. Earth's gravitational pull on an object depends only on how far away that object is and the mass of that object. The total gravitational pull that the object feels could be affected by other large objects nearby, but because the other planets are very far away, the strength of that gravitational attraction is extremely small and can be ignored.
Even though the sun is also very far away its gravitational pull on the planets (including Earth) is much stronger than the pull of the planets on each other because it so much larger than any of the planets. (The sun is over 1000 times more massive than Jupiter and over a million times more massive than Mars). So all of the planets (Earth included) travel around the sun in elliptical (that is, nearly circular) orbits. A planet's orbit can be very slightly changed by the gravitational pull of another large relatively nearby planet. This small effect will be greater the farther the planets are from the sun, the closer they are to each other and the larger they are. Although this effect is very tiny, it can be measurable. In fact, before Neptune was discovered, 19th century astronomers noticed irregularities in Uranuss orbit and realized that this was a result of the gravitational pull of a planet beyond Uranus (i.e. Neptune). They were even able to correctly calculate where this new planet should be.
The sun and moon both affect Earth's tides, the sun has a smaller effect because it's so much further away. Sometimes the tides are pulling in the same direction and magnify each other (called spring tides). Sometimes they pull in orthogonal directions and tides are smaller (called neap tides).
Here's a neat GIF of tides and Earth.
underpants
(182,877 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I approve this prophecy!
Waitin on the eclipse.
jalan48
(13,883 posts)If you think you are an Aries you are actually a Pisces etc.
https://www.livescience.com/4667-astrological-sign.html
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Archae
(46,345 posts)Ronald and Nancy Reagan, in fact they set official policy by what their astrologer told them, on some occasions.
Astrology is 100% bullshit, pure and simple.
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)0rganism
(23,970 posts)i haven't seen any solid evidence that it provides predictive value.
the theory of gravity has plenty of evidence to support it, and its effects can be forecast and measured pretty well. as far as the effects of distant planets and stars goes, the whole "square of the distance" in the denominator thing kind of reduces the effects below the level of "noise". Here's the problem for astrology being gravity-based:
Fg = G*m1*m2/R^2 (G =~ 6.672 ×10^?11 m^3/(kg?*s^2))
so let's say a person is around 100kg. Jupiter is 588x10^6 km away from earth's center of mass at its closest and 601x10^6 km away at its farthest and weighs around 1.89x10^27kg. Therefore
Fg(Jupiter,Dmin) =~ 0.0000365 N
Fg(Jupiter,Dmax) =~ 0.0000349 N
Fg(Jupiter,Dmin) - Fg(Jupiter,Dmax) = 0.00000156 N
of course, that kind of force change is going to be much smaller when we look at something as far away as a distant star.
compare that to the change in gravitational force of the earth on the same person from a 10m change in elevation:
Fg(Earth,Davg) =~ 981.330 N (as a check, remember, F = MA, and our person weighs in at 100kg and Ag(Earth avg)=~9.8m/s^2)
Fg(Earth,Davg+10) =~ 981.327 N
Fg(Earth,Davg) - Fg(Earth,Davg+10) =~ 0.0031 N which is nearly 2000x greater in magnitude than the change in force from that of the full differential of Jupiter's minimum and maximum distances from earth. (note that i'm taking some liberties with rounding to illustrate the point concisely, actual calculations were done with higher precision.)
in other words, a person will get a much stronger change from climbing a couple flights of stairs than from the full range of Jupiter's change in distance from the Earth. the problem is greatly exacerbated at distances of tens or hundreds of light years.
so i think it's safe to say, if astrological signs are greatly influencing our lives, they aren't doing it through gravity.
Blue Owl
(50,494 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)My classroom has two doors directly outside. I'd love to teach the kids about the eclipse, legends from around the world and stuff, but one of these teenagers WILL think they're invincible and start staring directly at the sun.
Not letting kids get blinded might be something of a struggle.
jpak
(41,759 posts)That I will win the Lotto
lunasun
(21,646 posts)sign and almost hit me .
Only rare if the sun revolves around America I guess
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Meaning that astrology may be a real as Newtonian physics. Or as unreal.
ananda
(28,876 posts)Donkees
(31,453 posts)FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Because I understand science.