to being a crook. Nixon paid $50K hush money, while tRump is laundering and hiding hundreds of millions if not even billions of dollars.

LOCK HIM UP!!

found guilty of financial crimes like they did with Bernie Madoff.

If they do, it will probably go to legal expenses. I honesty think they are living on assets they don't "really" own. And how are they going to make their payment to Putin? Makes me wonder if they'll have to be confined for their own safety.

The Americans they owe money to, Putin, angry minorities, ex-employees, angry patriots, etc..... He has many, many enemies and the list gets longer every day.

No amount of financial control would make me want to be in their shoes.

New allegations against these people I think it won't matter because Trump will be able to pardon everyone. Unless he is impeached that is and then I wonder what Pence would do.

Unless they can charge them under New York State law where he cannot pardon anyone.

and he can only pardon Federal crimes, not state ones.

And, remember, accepting a pardon is considered an admission of guilt though I don't know if that could be used as evidence in a state proceeding.

Even if they do not get him on treason/collusion etc. they have more than enough to get him and his kids on money laundering, which is worse, cause the Feds or the state can take everything he owns, including Mar Loco, away from him.
Planes, boats, jewelry, that winery he has been bragging about that he says he owns..everything gets auctioned off.
And that auction should be held on live tv, far as I am concerned.

repay the taxpayers they have defrauded. They have drained the treasury, travelling and secret service details. The whole group of them.

... in the big house. Plus Jared for the win.

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This is huge - the end is nigh.

LOCK THEM UP!

It's easier to prove, more documents are available to prove it
so that removes the argument on the right about collusion and treason etc.

Mueller is federal and Schnidermann is state, either way Trump gets what he deserves

and, illegal money, whether laundering/RICO or illegal campaign funds, targets his whole damn family AND some GOP Congressmen.

I am liking it.

PLUS...it was only maybe...May???....since the money angle started to attract attention.

and money laundering. Wilbur Ross.

Probably just the tip of the iceberg. Who knows what other skeletons are submerged under the surface.

Just like none of us knew Nixon was a crook?

The case was ongoing before Trump ran. One could argue he needed to run for president to escape the law.

Way back when he was VP, and I was an almost teen, I felt revulsion for him.
But everywhere I looked, the adults were swearing he was not naked....

Not likely that a Democratic governor would pardon them for state crimes either. From Goose Steps to Goose Cooked!

Altho, I can see that some of his henchmen in other countries might want to have him out of the way, since the international good guys are putting together money laundering charges against banks and Russian mafia guys.

I just want them to go down so much I can taste it!

of Robert Mueller everywhere Trump HAD a property.

Thread win for the day!

One Tweet inviting artists and one go fund me to pay for them...it would work, I think. hold onto that idea.

I'd be happy to see one at the Capitol building. No joke... keeping an eye on those working there.

would be appropriate since it symbolizes the loss of spiritual values in America.

.....all down.

Trump Soho is a blight on the horizon as well.

They can't. He's GOT to go!

Skuzzball corrupt Republicans are dragging America down

She was small potatoes compared to his family criminal enterprise.

Surrounded by crooks, ol' $arah would be putty in their hands. The brain power is equal to Donny Two Scoops, though. I want to hear about first lady Ivanka teaching the "girls" in Cell Block 2 how to make champagne popsickles. I hear it is one of her specialties. Her kids will not miss her if she goes to prison. The nannies are raising them, anyway.

a little bit smarter.


Sarah Palin is really, really stupid.


Like, fence post stupid.

I'm trying to figure out how a man with more skeletons in his closet than in a cemetery, had the idea to run for presidency?

He believes he is genetically superior, his father kept telling him he was destined to be a king, his middle wife Marla Maples has said he thinks that way.
and so does Donald Jr. he bought into the genetic superiority.....not"white" superiority, tho there is that,
but superior to most men. How do they know? Cause they have money.
that's it....superior genes and born into money makes you better than anyone else, apparently.

...a superiority and only one : his bottomless stupidity...

Oh well, I feel generous : his has also a superior arrogance, a superior ignorance and an unique capacity to disgust any decent human

n/t

"He wii die in prison"

Tis been my mantra every day since.

I feel thrilled about this, but at the same time, something just doesn't feel right. Maybe it's just my native skepticism.

The story's byline is dated August 16th. That's plenty of time of all of the major news outlets to put something together, but none of them have made a peep about it.

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But dear lawd let this be true!

Newspapers have to, usually, have 2 or more reliable sources to print a story.
and, sometimes, they hold onto a story at teh request of the prosecution, so as to not impede an investigation. We have all seen that in movies...

The guys putting stuff online do not have that constraint, and often have excellent sources, as you can see by the emails available in this post.

the Washington journal paper, (not the Washington Journal C-Span channel,) comes up with a lot of early info. I have not posted some of it unless there are good sources in the story, like these emails.

and, i happen to have been following the money laundering bit for some months now, as have quite a few Twitter investigators.

What a selfish pig

It's mind boggling! They really thought they could keep their criminal operations running while daddy screwed the country from the White House.

Trump and his spawn do truly believe they are superior to most of the human race.
Trump Jr. has been quoted to that effect.
So they live in a small bubble, seeing themselves as reflected in each other's eyes.

there was a study we all discussed on DU that said incompetent people tend to see themselves as very competent, much much more so than reality says they are.
We have all seen how Trump rejects ideas and facts he disagrees with. He honestly is bewildered why we all react so negatively to him.
He is sorta like the crazy uncle ( in my case, my aunt!) who believes Alex Jones is truthful and space ships are landing all over the place. No way can you convince him/her that is not true, yet they are not so crazy you can justify stuffing them into the loony bin.

I hope the answer is "no!"

But prosecution can show if the info is true.
Usually leaks are an excuse to try to move a trial to another place, if jury pool is the issue.

i very much doubt the emails in this post will be seen by enough people to affect a jury.
Anti Trump feeling is the big issue.

so I think they will be able to get one for The Don and his "family" of Mafioso wannabees.

...however, all in all, ways are not similar but the final target is the same.

Here, I would say a judge might discard (it depends) what had been leaked but I doubt he will drop the entire case.

I see a lot of people don't think he will be jailed.
It makes sense but I wonder, in this particular case, which is for sure unprecedented, is there a probability to see him jailed "for the example"? And to not create a precedent?

Not sure I'm very clear. I'm not an english native speaker.

There will be the question of precedence, of having a President go to jail.
It is more likely he will do what Nixon did, which is to resign under the serious threat of impeachment.
Then he will fall under New York RICO /money laundering charges, which are substantial.
he is being accused of those crimes at the federal and at the State level.

"Continuity of Government " is a big deal here.

He is done, this past week was too awful for him to have an serious credibility, so now the Republicans are realizing they have to do something. If he continues to piss enough of them off, as he has been doing, they will turn on him, because of the approaching House elections.

By Trump's team, would be a change of venue to upstate and out of NYC.

The arguments they had would be dumb, but any decent lawyer would give it a shot.

How much more has to come out before he is removed?!?!

welcome to DU!

crimes, it has no effect on state crimes?

Pence could do a Gerry Ford except Pence is also being investigated by Mueller for his part, esp. since he lied about Flynn. Co-conspirators cannot pardon their crime pals.

That is at the Federal level.
Yes, the WH has no pardon powers over state crimes.

which means. Trump is screwed whether he is at the federal level or returns to civilian life...he will be charged either or both ways.

Nothing on MSNBC for now.....

Did I read correctly in the link that there is a statue of limitations for RICO of ten years? So does that mean it would be up by next year? If so, Jesus...Mueller and Schneiderman have to shift into freakin' overdrive!

btw, your posts are so good, ALL of them! May I inquire, do you have a legal and journalistic background?
Thanks!

K&R

I am sure Mueller et al have taken that into consideration.

I have in my life worked as a para-legal and as a community organizer, back in the day, later jobs required a lot of explanatory writing, in a concise manner.
Mostly I read a LOT now that I am retired, and have always had a deep interest in history and politics.
thank you very much for the compliment.

Are they?

you would think if this was "out there" that it would be reported all over MSM. So far I have seen nothing...

There are 2 "Washington Journals", one is the name of the C-Span news series, the other is this newspaper, which is rated left leaning.

plus he and his sister were caught selling high end visas to the Chinese, for 500,000.00
Easy to prove it, there is videotape of them doing it!

(No wonder Trump didn't want Mueller to investigate his finances)

Jared is in the same boat....deeply in debt, and trying to find someone to give him money, which is not working out well, for some reason.

The license agreements state how much he will be paid for each year.

from the link:

Throughout his career he has promoted his name "brand" as if associating with it brings success which inevitably never comes. The resulting fallout leaves only his investors holding the bag. This exact same business model is then repeated over and over. So perhaps I could have sympathy for someone who invested in him decades ago, but anyone who does so today should damn well know better. It's just more proof that just because you have money, doesn't mean you also have good sense.

( I have doing a LOT of reading about him)

It's not as if he's ever been anything but a fraud

For example Felix Sater's name is incorrectly spelled on the emails.

Why would somebody misspell their own name on their own email? It looks very fishy.
(Satter instead of Sater)

I haven't read the entire bunch of emails but just in the first couple of paragraphs I can see 3 or 4 glaring errors.
By the way I do have a Scribd account, so I was able to down load the entire document.

Just sayin'