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HAB911

(8,909 posts)
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:13 PM Aug 2017

ACLU Will No Longer Defend Gun-Carrying Protest Groups

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On Thursday, the ACLU made a statement specifying that it would not defend groups that wanted to incite violence or march “armed to the teeth,” the Los Angeles Times reported.

“We review each request for help on a case-by-case basis, but take the clear position that the 1st Amendment does not protect people who incite or engage in violence,” the statement, from three California ACLU affiliates, said.

“If white supremacists march into our towns armed to the teeth and with the intent to harm people, they are not engaging in activity protected by the United States Constitution,” the statement continued. “The 1st Amendment should never be used as a shield or sword to justify violence.”

Waldo Jaquith, a former member of the ACLU Virginia board, had already resigned over the group’s decision to defend far-right activists. “I just resigned from the ACLU of Virginia board,” he wrote on Twitter. “What’s legal and what’s right are sometimes different. I won’t be a fig leaf for Nazis.”

http://www.newsweek.com/free-speech-hate-speech-aclu-civil-liberties-donald-trump-652050

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ACLU Will No Longer Defend Gun-Carrying Protest Groups (Original Post) HAB911 Aug 2017 OP
I agree with this decision. redstatebluegirl Aug 2017 #1
It's about effing time frazzled Aug 2017 #2
About damn time nt Phoenix61 Aug 2017 #3
The Newsweek story cites an LA Times report about HeartachesNhangovers Aug 2017 #4

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. It's about effing time
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 03:35 PM
Aug 2017

They must've read this Op-Ed yesterday in the New York Times, "The A.C.L.U. Needs to Rethink Free Speech" (which got quite a few responses). Just read the whole damned thing. It addresses the issue of armed protesters, but also the vast inequalities in access to free speech in our country that have zero to do with the First Amendment: race, poverty, policing inequities:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/aclu-first-amendment-trump-charlottesville.html

4. The Newsweek story cites an LA Times report about
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 05:10 PM
Aug 2017

2 different statements, although the LA Times doesn't provide either statement in its entirety or link to them, but these statements (which I can't actually find) seem to be limited to white supremacist groups. According to the Times, the national ACLU says:

The national organization said Thursday that it would not represent white supremacist groups that want to demonstrate with guns.


Then, separately, the Times says that the 3 ACLU chapters in California say:

“If white supremacists march into our towns armed to the teeth and with the intent to harm people, they are not engaging in activity protected by the United States Constitution


So this is also about white supremacists. Since CA is a "no-open-carry" state, the CA statement isn't really about guns at all.
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