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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat do the alt-Right and the militant Left have in common?
Anti-globalization. Think about that for a minute...until this post falls down the cliff.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)I was hoping for a reasonable discussion about anti-globalization. Something that cable news seems to shy away from.
brush
(53,892 posts)Otherwise it's just a meme we hear repeated by Bannonists.
BootinUp
(47,197 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)BootinUp
(47,197 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)then Breitbart will apparently attempt to fill that void, not that I support Breitbart in any way!
BootinUp
(47,197 posts)Iggo
(47,571 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,222 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)On second thought, don't waste your time thinking about nonsensical false equivalencies.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Kleveland
(1,257 posts)Or is that just nutz?
Voltaire2
(13,195 posts)But to address the pathetic point made in the latest example of "threat from the right: attack the left", a single point of convergence in two data sets is not a sound basis for concluding equivalence.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)in the case of Charlottesville, that was all about racism.
mvd
(65,180 posts)I just want labor and working people to have input in trade deals. So Democrats have disappointed me on that. I think just saying "the left" is better because "militant" sounds derogatory, "alt-left" is a false equivalency and even "far left" implies that the left doesn't make sense when I think they do.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)I only used the word "militant" because groups like Antifa and Black Bloc always seem to be in the news protesting globalization, except for this past week of course.
mvd
(65,180 posts)Just know that it is a more varied group that thinks this way..
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)that happen when liberals acknowledge the obvious.
Is this really a forum for good Democrats, or a place for our enemies to undermine our party with impunity? Serious question.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)as an "underground" website I was hoping we could discuss issues that won't get discussed on CNN or MSNBC.
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)what is the difference between communism (far left) and fascism (far right).
We don't really have far left in the US (communists)
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)but one might argue that unconstrained Capitalism in the form of Globalization could lead to the same, or Oligarchy.
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)which protects individual rights.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)and the militant leftists are most active in foreign countries. Don't get caught up all in the Nationalism.
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)You seem pretty clear about the fact that there are totalitarians on both extremes, which is the fact of the matter.
I'm just personally frustrated (not with you) that we get warning for stating the obvious.
Keep fighting the good fight!
OBenario4
(252 posts)The extreme right hates globalization because it's xenophobic and uses economic issues as an excuse to use foreigners as scapegoats.
The militant left is against globalization because it allows exploitation, unfair competition, abuse of workers' rights. But it's not xenophebic, in fact communists are internationalists.
HarmonyRockets
(397 posts)Here's the correct answer. Both are anti-globalization in a sense, but for entirely different reasons and both sides have completely different goals.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)The Alt-Right sees globalization as both an economic and cultural force for evil. It is not just outsourcing but the ideology of cosmopolitanism and tolerance that they oppose. The Left is mostly concerned with some of the negative economic effects of globalization. The Left doesn't have the same issues with cosmopolitanism and different cultures interacting that the Alt-Right has.
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)We have center-left, and far right. Far left represents communism and socialism, both anti-globalist in nature, and there is marginal support for that. Bernie Sanders, for example, is not far left, he does not advocate for communism or socialism and supports private enterprise and business. His policies are similar to those of most developed democracies such as most of Western Europe and Canada. In fact, he is more conservative than those. None of those countries are anywhere close to communism or socialism, on the opposite, they have been getting freer and freer, from individual rights to business, etc. Our political spectrum has shifted very far to the right. Propaganda replaced news for millions of people poisoning the minds for generation.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)It is odd that Bernie Sanders is considered the far left here. Most European Christian Democrats would probably be considered far left in this country and they are the main right-wing parties in many European countries!
StrictlyRockers
(3,855 posts)Yeah, but I think the Alt-right uses "globalists" more as a code word for "Jews" than as an accurate descriptor for their grievances with globalization.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)editors at Breitbart are themselves Jewish and one has appeared on MSNBC claiming that they will not tolerate anti-Semitism or white supremacy. Yet, Bannon has left the White House to rejoin Breitbart, with his billionaire sponsor, and they are now declaring "war" on the globalists who have "taken control of the West Wing". No matter what comes of this, conservatives are attempting to take over the conversation from both sides while Democrats remain paralyzed.
GMBshootingclubM60
(17 posts)Bernie attacked the globalists...
and we see what it got him.
Attacks on him and his family...
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Ezior
(505 posts)So I can't say what they have in common with the alt-right.
I do know that some fringe parts of the left (that I used to call the "alt-left" but will refrain from doing so for obvious reasons after Trump's statement) share their Putin love with the alt-right. Also, they are both susceptible to conspiracy theories like Seth Rich was murdered by "Killary" or that "Killary" is fatally ill.
Just compare JPR vs. Freepers.
HarmonyRockets
(397 posts)Both the far left and the far right attack neoliberal globalization and its elites, but both have conflicting views on who those elites are and conflicting reasons for attacking such elites:
For the right, the problem with globalization is that it has corroded supposedly traditional and homogeneous cultural and ethnic communities their solution is therefore to reverse globalization, protecting national capital and placing further restrictions on the movement of people.
For the left, the problem with globalization is that it has given free rein to capital and entrenched economic and political inequality. The solution is therefore to place constraints on capital and/or to allow people to have the same freedom of movement currently given to capital, goods, and services. They want an alternative globalization.
Globalization could be designed so that it's beneficial to the general population, or it could be designed so that it functions along the lines of the international trade agreements (WTO Agreement, NAFTA, the Atlantic and Pacific agreements), which are all specifically designed as investor rights agreements, not even trade agreements. They have very high protection for major corporations, for big pharmaceuticals, media conglomerates, and so on, very high barriers through intellectual property rights, and devices that allow corporations (but of course not people), to sue governments action that might potentially harm their profits. That's a particular form of globalization designed in the interest of the designers. The designers are concentrations of private power, linked closely to state power, so in that system they are consequences of globalization.
Squinch
(51,021 posts)for it.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)BUT
Let me say THANK YOU
Pure flame bait.
It's like saying, "You know who likes peanut butter . . . " and fighting about it.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)and I didn't intend for this to be pure flame bait or to bash the left, I just wanted to get people's attention on a subject that too often gets ignored, and which will soon become an issue for this government. I really feel it is dangerous for the Right to control this debate.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)We includes myself.
Squinch
(51,021 posts)Antifa because they are not militant left.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/antifa-movement-anti-trump-politics-nazi/
Redneck Revolt is just one among a handful of left-wing groups that have pledged to resist emboldened white supremacists and right-wing extremists through direct action that sometimes goes beyond nonviolent protestincluding picking up arms. Some see themselves as the heirs of 60s radicals like the Black Panthers, while others look to the antifa movement for inspiration. Here are a few: ...
Squinch
(51,021 posts)any acts of resistance against the right?
This discussion of the violent left is a right wing lie. Stop spreading it.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)violence and destruction are all too often the result of social injustice. Few people wanted to watch the city of Los Angeles burn during the LA Riots, but it really brought home the perceived inequality of the system at the time.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)sometime, I have seen the cost of globalization... a few are enriched...the Romney's of the world...while for everyone else it is a race to the bottom. Hubs is unemployed as of September 1st... and there are plans to make the product at his soon to be former plant in Mexico...already...thousands and thousands of jobs from this company have moved there.
The alt-right and the militant left have nothing in common. The alt-right literally wants to kill those who disagree wit them and the racially 'unpure'....burn them alive. It is ridiculous to conclude that the militant left has anything in common with these monsters.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)it would be a mistake to allow the Right to control this debate.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)??
Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)Hard to wrap the thought up in such a neat and tidy manner. Overall, I do agree. The militant left in this country is almost non-existent. It's not like some factions in Germany which are much larger.
Iggo
(47,571 posts)liquid diamond
(1,917 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)What's your point, exactly?
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)and seeing an editor of Breitbart simultaneously denounce Nazism, but then declare war on the globalists they view as now being in control of government. I fear that the Right is attempting to take control of a growing popular movement against Globalization whose arguments should be driven more by the Left.