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What do the alt-Right and the militant Left have in common? (Original Post) AntiFascist Aug 2017 OP
They both elect republicans? workinclasszero Aug 2017 #1
You got it!!! Alice11111 Aug 2017 #2
A preference for white male leadership? nt MADem Aug 2017 #3
Like to beat the shit out of people? nt GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #4
Interesting screenname for a left basher. nt m-lekktor Aug 2017 #5
Actually I'm not trying to bash the extreme left... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #7
Define anti-globalization and your position on it. You'll get more responses then. brush Aug 2017 #53
Militant left? Sounds like something from the 60's BootinUp Aug 2017 #6
Are there not Leftist groups that promote the fact that they are militant? n/t AntiFascist Aug 2017 #9
As an important political faction? No. BootinUp Aug 2017 #10
If the "Left" doesn't feel it is an important discussion... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #12
Good luck. Lol BootinUp Aug 2017 #13
Knock yourself out. Iggo Aug 2017 #50
It sounds like "militant left" is the new "alt-left." TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #42
Hitler and St. Francis were both vegetarians. Think about that for a minute. QC Aug 2017 #8
Hitler was not a vegetarian. That's been debunked countless times. n/t Downtown Hound Aug 2017 #23
What about that missing testical from WWI thing? Kleveland Aug 2017 #52
The alt right is all for globalization in an American empire. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #11
I certainly wasn't trying to conclude equivalence... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #14
At least for me, I am not thinking we should isolate completely mvd Aug 2017 #15
Thank you mvd for your response! AntiFascist Aug 2017 #17
You are welcome mvd Aug 2017 #18
I'd respond, but this lifelong liberal Democrat is feeling choked by the hides and the warnings Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #16
I'm not the "enemy" if that is what you are implying... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #19
far left and far right overlap; political science 101 AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #20
I would say that they both lead to Totalitarianism... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #21
technically not cause of the constitution AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #22
The U.S. Constitution doesn't cover foreigners.. AntiFascist Aug 2017 #24
No, it's not what I'm implying. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #43
Yes, but for different reasons. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #25
Thank you HarmonyRockets Aug 2017 #34
This is true to a certain extent but there are differences. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #26
we simply don't have far left here AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #27
That is true. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #28
Yeah, but.. StrictlyRockers Aug 2017 #29
I would agree, except... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #31
globalists attacked Bernie... GMBshootingclubM60 Aug 2017 #30
America has no "militant Left." WinkyDink Aug 2017 #32
I don't know who the militant left is Ezior Aug 2017 #33
Look, another centrist bashing the left on DU HarmonyRockets Aug 2017 #35
You are bashing centrists with no evidence this poster is one. It's a flame bait post and you fell Squinch Aug 2017 #38
Coming from a different perspective GaryCnf Aug 2017 #39
I appreciate your response... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #44
Hatred towards Jews. grossproffit Aug 2017 #36
We aren't discussing this enough. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #48
Give me an example of the militant left. It's a fairy tale. And don't say Squinch Aug 2017 #37
According to Mother Jones... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #45
Have you ever heard of Redneck Revolt performing any acts of violence or even Squinch Aug 2017 #49
If being identified as militant is insulting to these groups then I will stop using the term n/t AntiFascist Aug 2017 #54
Also, I'm not intending to unnecesarily bash these extreme groups by calling them militant... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #46
That is unfair. I don't like globalization...most in the rust belt don't and as an auto wife for Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #40
Your response is what I'd like to see more of... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #55
Absolutely. The right are big liars...they want to help themselves to what should be our wealth. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #59
Neither one comes from the South? kentuck Aug 2017 #41
You are correct. Some also share many aspects of isolationism. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #47
The both love dogs? Iggo Aug 2017 #51
Racial insensitivity. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #56
And Gandhi beat his wife Nevernose Aug 2017 #57
Thanks for asking, my post was in response to Bannon's move from the White House back to Breitbart.. AntiFascist Aug 2017 #58

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
7. Actually I'm not trying to bash the extreme left...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:22 PM
Aug 2017

I was hoping for a reasonable discussion about anti-globalization. Something that cable news seems to shy away from.

brush

(53,892 posts)
53. Define anti-globalization and your position on it. You'll get more responses then.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 02:12 PM
Aug 2017

Otherwise it's just a meme we hear repeated by Bannonists.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
12. If the "Left" doesn't feel it is an important discussion...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:33 PM
Aug 2017

then Breitbart will apparently attempt to fill that void, not that I support Breitbart in any way!

QC

(26,371 posts)
8. Hitler and St. Francis were both vegetarians. Think about that for a minute.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:23 PM
Aug 2017

On second thought, don't waste your time thinking about nonsensical false equivalencies.

Voltaire2

(13,195 posts)
11. The alt right is all for globalization in an American empire.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:30 PM
Aug 2017

But to address the pathetic point made in the latest example of "threat from the right: attack the left", a single point of convergence in two data sets is not a sound basis for concluding equivalence.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
14. I certainly wasn't trying to conclude equivalence...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:37 PM
Aug 2017

in the case of Charlottesville, that was all about racism.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
15. At least for me, I am not thinking we should isolate completely
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:49 PM
Aug 2017

I just want labor and working people to have input in trade deals. So Democrats have disappointed me on that. I think just saying "the left" is better because "militant" sounds derogatory, "alt-left" is a false equivalency and even "far left" implies that the left doesn't make sense when I think they do.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
17. Thank you mvd for your response!
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:52 PM
Aug 2017

I only used the word "militant" because groups like Antifa and Black Bloc always seem to be in the news protesting globalization, except for this past week of course.
 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
16. I'd respond, but this lifelong liberal Democrat is feeling choked by the hides and the warnings
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:49 PM
Aug 2017

that happen when liberals acknowledge the obvious.

Is this really a forum for good Democrats, or a place for our enemies to undermine our party with impunity? Serious question.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
19. I'm not the "enemy" if that is what you are implying...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:55 PM
Aug 2017

as an "underground" website I was hoping we could discuss issues that won't get discussed on CNN or MSNBC.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
20. far left and far right overlap; political science 101
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:05 PM
Aug 2017

what is the difference between communism (far left) and fascism (far right).

We don't really have far left in the US (communists)

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
21. I would say that they both lead to Totalitarianism...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:15 PM
Aug 2017

but one might argue that unconstrained Capitalism in the form of Globalization could lead to the same, or Oligarchy.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
24. The U.S. Constitution doesn't cover foreigners..
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:21 AM
Aug 2017

and the militant leftists are most active in foreign countries. Don't get caught up all in the Nationalism.
 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
43. No, it's not what I'm implying.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:47 AM
Aug 2017

You seem pretty clear about the fact that there are totalitarians on both extremes, which is the fact of the matter.

I'm just personally frustrated (not with you) that we get warning for stating the obvious.

Keep fighting the good fight!

 

OBenario4

(252 posts)
25. Yes, but for different reasons.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:33 AM
Aug 2017

The extreme right hates globalization because it's xenophobic and uses economic issues as an excuse to use foreigners as scapegoats.

The militant left is against globalization because it allows exploitation, unfair competition, abuse of workers' rights. But it's not xenophebic, in fact communists are internationalists.

 

HarmonyRockets

(397 posts)
34. Thank you
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 04:53 AM
Aug 2017

Here's the correct answer. Both are anti-globalization in a sense, but for entirely different reasons and both sides have completely different goals.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
26. This is true to a certain extent but there are differences.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:34 AM
Aug 2017

The Alt-Right sees globalization as both an economic and cultural force for evil. It is not just outsourcing but the ideology of cosmopolitanism and tolerance that they oppose. The Left is mostly concerned with some of the negative economic effects of globalization. The Left doesn't have the same issues with cosmopolitanism and different cultures interacting that the Alt-Right has.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
27. we simply don't have far left here
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:49 AM
Aug 2017

We have center-left, and far right. Far left represents communism and socialism, both anti-globalist in nature, and there is marginal support for that. Bernie Sanders, for example, is not far left, he does not advocate for communism or socialism and supports private enterprise and business. His policies are similar to those of most developed democracies such as most of Western Europe and Canada. In fact, he is more conservative than those. None of those countries are anywhere close to communism or socialism, on the opposite, they have been getting freer and freer, from individual rights to business, etc. Our political spectrum has shifted very far to the right. Propaganda replaced news for millions of people poisoning the minds for generation.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
28. That is true.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:53 AM
Aug 2017

It is odd that Bernie Sanders is considered the far left here. Most European Christian Democrats would probably be considered far left in this country and they are the main right-wing parties in many European countries!

StrictlyRockers

(3,855 posts)
29. Yeah, but..
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 02:21 AM
Aug 2017

Yeah, but I think the Alt-right uses "globalists" more as a code word for "Jews" than as an accurate descriptor for their grievances with globalization.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
31. I would agree, except...
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 04:18 AM
Aug 2017

editors at Breitbart are themselves Jewish and one has appeared on MSNBC claiming that they will not tolerate anti-Semitism or white supremacy. Yet, Bannon has left the White House to rejoin Breitbart, with his billionaire sponsor, and they are now declaring "war" on the globalists who have "taken control of the West Wing". No matter what comes of this, conservatives are attempting to take over the conversation from both sides while Democrats remain paralyzed.

 
30. globalists attacked Bernie...
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 03:42 AM
Aug 2017

Bernie attacked the globalists...
and we see what it got him.
Attacks on him and his family...

Ezior

(505 posts)
33. I don't know who the militant left is
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 04:49 AM
Aug 2017

So I can't say what they have in common with the alt-right.

I do know that some fringe parts of the left (that I used to call the "alt-left" but will refrain from doing so for obvious reasons after Trump's statement) share their Putin love with the alt-right. Also, they are both susceptible to conspiracy theories like Seth Rich was murdered by "Killary" or that "Killary" is fatally ill.

Just compare JPR vs. Freepers.

 

HarmonyRockets

(397 posts)
35. Look, another centrist bashing the left on DU
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 05:01 AM
Aug 2017

Both the far left and the far right attack neoliberal globalization and its elites, but both have conflicting views on who those elites are and conflicting reasons for attacking such elites:

For the right, the problem with globalization is that it has corroded supposedly traditional and homogeneous cultural and ethnic communities – their solution is therefore to reverse globalization, protecting national capital and placing further restrictions on the movement of people.

For the left, the problem with globalization is that it has given free rein to capital and entrenched economic and political inequality. The solution is therefore to place constraints on capital and/or to allow people to have the same freedom of movement currently given to capital, goods, and services. They want an alternative globalization.

Globalization could be designed so that it's beneficial to the general population, or it could be designed so that it functions along the lines of the international trade agreements (WTO Agreement, NAFTA, the Atlantic and Pacific agreements), which are all specifically designed as investor rights agreements, not even trade agreements. They have very high protection for major corporations, for big pharmaceuticals, media conglomerates, and so on, very high barriers through intellectual property rights, and devices that allow corporations (but of course not people), to sue governments action that might potentially harm their profits. That's a particular form of globalization designed in the interest of the designers. The designers are concentrations of private power, linked closely to state power, so in that system they are consequences of globalization.

Squinch

(51,021 posts)
38. You are bashing centrists with no evidence this poster is one. It's a flame bait post and you fell
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 06:44 AM
Aug 2017

for it.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
39. Coming from a different perspective
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 07:53 AM
Aug 2017

BUT

Let me say THANK YOU

Pure flame bait.

It's like saying, "You know who likes peanut butter . . . " and fighting about it.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
44. I appreciate your response...
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:16 PM
Aug 2017

and I didn't intend for this to be pure flame bait or to bash the left, I just wanted to get people's attention on a subject that too often gets ignored, and which will soon become an issue for this government. I really feel it is dangerous for the Right to control this debate.

Squinch

(51,021 posts)
37. Give me an example of the militant left. It's a fairy tale. And don't say
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 06:43 AM
Aug 2017

Antifa because they are not militant left.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
45. According to Mother Jones...
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:24 PM
Aug 2017

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/antifa-movement-anti-trump-politics-nazi/

Redneck Revolt is just one among a handful of left-wing groups that have pledged to resist emboldened white supremacists and right-wing extremists through “direct action” that sometimes goes beyond nonviolent protest—including picking up arms. Some see themselves as the heirs of ’60s radicals like the Black Panthers, while others look to the antifa movement for inspiration. Here are a few: ...

Squinch

(51,021 posts)
49. Have you ever heard of Redneck Revolt performing any acts of violence or even
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:48 PM
Aug 2017

any acts of resistance against the right?

This discussion of the violent left is a right wing lie. Stop spreading it.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
46. Also, I'm not intending to unnecesarily bash these extreme groups by calling them militant...
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:36 PM
Aug 2017

violence and destruction are all too often the result of social injustice. Few people wanted to watch the city of Los Angeles burn during the LA Riots, but it really brought home the perceived inequality of the system at the time.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
40. That is unfair. I don't like globalization...most in the rust belt don't and as an auto wife for
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 08:05 AM
Aug 2017

sometime, I have seen the cost of globalization... a few are enriched...the Romney's of the world...while for everyone else it is a race to the bottom. Hubs is unemployed as of September 1st... and there are plans to make the product at his soon to be former plant in Mexico...already...thousands and thousands of jobs from this company have moved there.

The alt-right and the militant left have nothing in common. The alt-right literally wants to kill those who disagree wit them and the racially 'unpure'....burn them alive. It is ridiculous to conclude that the militant left has anything in common with these monsters.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
55. Your response is what I'd like to see more of...
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 04:28 PM
Aug 2017

it would be a mistake to allow the Right to control this debate.
 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
47. You are correct. Some also share many aspects of isolationism.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 01:40 PM
Aug 2017

Hard to wrap the thought up in such a neat and tidy manner. Overall, I do agree. The militant left in this country is almost non-existent. It's not like some factions in Germany which are much larger.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
58. Thanks for asking, my post was in response to Bannon's move from the White House back to Breitbart..
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 06:02 PM
Aug 2017

and seeing an editor of Breitbart simultaneously denounce Nazism, but then declare war on the globalists they view as now being in control of government. I fear that the Right is attempting to take control of a growing popular movement against Globalization whose arguments should be driven more by the Left.

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