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CousinIT

(9,245 posts)
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 09:39 PM Aug 2017

Where Confederate monuments are vs where black people are in the US

I've read that most of the monuments were erected after the Civil War and after Reconstruction - to show black people who was in charge. It looks like that may be true if these maps are correct.



From Charles Blow on Twitter:


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Where Confederate monuments are vs where black people are in the US (Original Post) CousinIT Aug 2017 OP
Kick dalton99a Aug 2017 #1
Just saw this on FB Not Ruth Aug 2017 #2
There is an article about that here. I'd meant to post it but forgot in the day's rushing around... CousinIT Aug 2017 #5
+1 million . This brilliant post alone merits thousands of recs nt riderinthestorm Aug 2017 #6
The other correlation is *when* the monuments went up- X_Digger Aug 2017 #3
Yes. Heard that on NPR the other day. VERY telling. CousinIT Aug 2017 #4

CousinIT

(9,245 posts)
5. There is an article about that here. I'd meant to post it but forgot in the day's rushing around...
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:51 PM
Aug 2017
This Doctor Experimented on Slaves: It’s Time to Remove or Redo His Statue

. . .On a quiet side of Central Park on 5th Avenue and 103rd Street, just across from the New York Academy of Medicine in East Harlem, stands the larger-than-life Sims (1813-1883). His 14-foot marble statue, erected in 1894, was the first for a doctor in the United States, and it moved to this site in 1934. He is considered the father of modern gynecology. His claim to inventing the speculum that made possible the visualization of the vagina, and his 1840s surgeries on slave women to correct fistulas in their vaginal walls that allowed urinary and fecal material to continuously drip, made him famous. These tears often happen in very young mothers and from obstructed long labor, or in women with deformed pelvises from rickets, lack of proper nutrition, syphilitic ulcers, or serious infections. While this horrific damage, which leads to further infections, terrible smells, and social isolation, is now seen primarily in parts of Africa, it was a common problem for all women in the 19th century, especially before caesarean sections could be performed safely. They were seen especially frequently as a byproduct of slavery that enforced rape and demanded pregnancy of newly pubescent women.

Sims, born in South Carolina, was practicing in Montgomery, Alabama, when enslaved women with this malady came to his attention. In an effort of surgical bravado, Sims operated on nearly a dozen black women, three of whom we only know as Anarcha, Betsey, and Lucy. In an era when anesthesia for operations was just beginning to be used, and doctors debated whether white women and women of color felt pain as intensely as white men did, these multiple surgeries were done without the benefit of loss of sensation. As Sims himself would declare, “Lucy’s agony was extreme,” and Anarcha endured more than 13 attempts to close her fistula. After years of experimentation, and eventually the proffering of opium to his subjects to lessen their pain, make them less likely to complain, but also keep bowel movements limited, Sims found a way to remove the necrotized tissue and sew up these fissures with silver wire sutures. In 1853, he moved to New York, founded the Women’s Hospital, and became a world-renown celebrity physician who operated on royalty, served as president of the American Medical Association, and aided in the establishment of the first New York cancer institute.

Since the 1960s, however, concern about how Sims rose to his fame, and the women’s bodies he experimented on to do it, have raised serious concerns. His granite pedestal proclaims, “His brilliant achievement carried the fame of American surgery thought the entire world,” and says that the statue is in “recognition of his services in the cause of science & mankind.” Nowhere do we learn of Anarcha, Betsey, and Lucy and the nameless others who made his career possible, except for concerns raised in feminist medical history texts that question the price paid by others for his achievements. At a time, too, when the history of medical experimentation on black bodies is remembered for the mistrust it engenders, should we still be staring up at a slave-owning Sims in all his medical glory? Or should we just understand that this was about the past and that in the end his surgical interventions saved countless lives, including probably those of Anarcha, Betsey and Lucy, from a serious problem that still haunts millions?

Community groups in East Harlem have unsuccessfully petitioned to have Sims removed from his perch as a constant reminder of the silences of the black women whose bodies he operated on, a different form of racial terrorizing from those of Confederate generals. Others have suggested that he be allowed to stand, but that we commission a larger plinth with bronzed imagined bodies of Anarcha, Betsey, and Lucy towering over him. To do so, however, puts these women only in relationship to Sims and fails to give them a history beyond their butchered bodies.



http://www.thehastingscenter.org/doctor-experimented-slaves-time-remove-redo-statue/

And as I have posted here and elsewhere many times, there is a THIN THIN line (if any at all ) between reproductive rights of women and slave breeding. It's PAST TIME women - ALL women - were fully considered HUMAN BEINGS with all the rights thereof. Not incubators. Not sex slaves. Not male service units. Not animals to be experimented on. HUMAN:

https://www.thenation.com/article/reproductive-rights-and-long-hand-slave-breeding/

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
3. The other correlation is *when* the monuments went up-
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:12 PM
Aug 2017

1910-1920 (the height of the KKK's influence, think 1915's 'Birth of a Nation') and in the mid to late 1950's- in response to Brown v Board of Education.

CousinIT

(9,245 posts)
4. Yes. Heard that on NPR the other day. VERY telling.
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 10:44 PM
Aug 2017

And obvious it's not just about conserving Confederate history. Or about that at all.

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