Need to oust Ryan and Walker.....

In a recent interview he said the majority of his constituents support Trump. I call BS.

We need to get the word out there about Ryan's opposition, Randy Bryce the most tho! Ryan affects everyone, not just our state!

As long as the Democrats run a good candidate and Trump remains as unpopular as he is, the "blue wall" should return.

Quoting Al Franken.

The fixing........

beforehand.

The republicans are not winning Wisconsin they are stealing it..... with a combination of voter suppression tactics, millions of $$$ for pro republican advertising, gerrymander districts, stacked state Supreme court and yes flipping votes on election days. To name a few.

THEN GET OUT THE VOTE, drive them, if necessary.

That showed up to vote and were told they didn't exist, wouldn't we have seen stories about it? That's not exactly something that would have gone quietly into the night.

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hovered at around 40% or slightly less.

Because it was so close between Clinton & Trump, I think Russia hacked and tilted it to a Trump win. Easy enough to do. Picks a few districts that were almost equal between the 2, and tweak those districts to a Trump win.

So the question is....will Russia do the same thing again, if he's still in office in 2020? As long as it's close between Trump and the opponent, that is a real likelihood, IMO.

We need to see lower approval ratings than this, to take care of any possible Russian interference in 2020 (if he's still in office).

remove the powers of his office as soon as he was elected. They are totally shameless.

With the Repug's voter suppression and steady stream of Wikileaks materials on the Democratic candidates, a below 40 approval won't hurt him much.

He "won" by 13K votes. When the recount started, he started to steadily lose votes, and by the time Republican AG Bill Scheutte sued to stop the recount, he was ahead by only 10K. It was a fucking robbery.

On edit: It didn't help that the SOS threw 188K voters off the rolls mainly in "urban areas", if you get my drift, so that had a little something to do with it too.

The vote count was 10.793 votes, not 13K. Also, the Jill Stein effect had more impact in Michigan than anything else and that (i.e. Jill Stein) was the primary Russian "Set Up" in Michigan.

Which is why Michiganders must LEARN from this election to not allow their votes to be thrown away on a lying, paid-off (this time by the Russians) supposed "third-party" candidate. Stein should NEVER be allowed to have her name on a ballot again, EVER, in Michigan.

Was the end total we were supplied with based on all of our research. If that number changed since December 2016 (after the reconciliation of the state's vote totals by SOS Ruth Johnson's office in Lansing) we have not been updated nor are aware.

This is where I was getting the 13K:

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/09/donald-trump-wins-michigan-13225-votes-final-unofficial-count/93536606/

Voted 3rd party.it took a perfect storm for Trump to win.you won't see most of those 7 million vote 3rd party again and I would say 99% of them will never vote for Trump.

Gary Johnson got 3.3% of the vote, Jill Stein got 1.1%. In 1992, Ross Perot got 18.9%. There is room for a 3rd party candidatet to do as well as they did last year, or better. Hopefully, it's mainly a divison between Trumpanzees and more normal Republicans and it splits the vote on their side.

than a 1,000 votes in Fl.
But people don't learn, so it can easily happen again and again.

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Though Bill Clinton benefitted from Ross Perot in '92. Hopefully, Dem's will have learned the lesson in 2020 and realize that they need to support the nominee.

I think a bunch of voters thought Hillary was going to win anyway so they went on and voted 3rd party as a protest vote.

People tend to forget that Clinton was not a popular candidate. There were thousands of swing-voters who went to the polls and voted for Trump. Stats show he dominated her in voters who made their decision when they got to their polling station. I'm not saying that there wasn't voter suppression and Russian Interference leading up to the election, but Democrats will continue to lose elections as long as people only blame that instead of addressing the actual issues.

And I don't argue that she 66 million votes. I was a staunch supporter of her last year. But the facts don't like, a good portion of the American voting block considered her to be untrustworthy and believed she was the picture of the political elite, which was exactly who they hated.

The email controversy, whether it was legitimate or not, is what hurt her the most. If that hadn't happened, she wouldn't have been viewed as so untrustworthy and probably wins Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Florida.

I get so tired of hearing this bullshit about Hillary.

Not last I checked.

I don't argue that she got 3 million more votes than Trump. But the facts are, she didn't get it done in the swing states, and Trump won them by razor thin margins that he's unlikely to be able to replicate in 2020.

Here's a great map from fivethirtyeight that shows the campaign stops in the upper midwest made by both Clinton and Trump in the final two months of campaigning. It's clear as day that he focused on those states more than she did.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-last-10-weeks-of-2016-campaign-stops-in-one-handy-gif/

And I do think that Russian interference and voter suppression are real things. But I lived in rural Indiana at the time of the election last year. I can tell you exactly what people in the rural midwest were thinking. They didn't trust Hillary, they felt let down by the establishment, and felt like Trump spoke to them.

have a narrowly divided electorate are the easiest targets for vote flipping, voter suppression, seriously unbalanced media coverage, and other dishonest tactics.

Whether Clinton was or was not the right candidate, the message, or any of the other possible "issues" are irrelevant if the elections are rigged.

Last minute campaign stops aren't generally attended by the undecided.

Is what did it.not one little doubt in my mind.Comey is to blame for Trump...period.

It fed into the narrative that Clinton couldn't be trusted, and with it happening just a week before the election, it probably swung thousands of voters.

Even if she only lost one point because of that letter, this was the point she couldn't afford to lose.

He has done everything he can do to atone but the damage is done.

Which is kind of ironic, really, since Comey's letter likely helped to get Trump elected, and yet Comey got fired for all his trouble.

Including the constant Bashing of Clinton by the some on the left and the entire right with a complicit media.

responsibility.

others in my state agree with me 👍🏻

If we do not vote. Many people that say they're unhappy with tRump would still vote for him today. Why? Because he's on their team. They will hold their nose and get behind their man no matter what. Democrats need to get like them. Vote as diligently as they....hold our candidate's feet to the fire once they win!
All of those people that were repulsed by 45's shenanigans during the campaign and still voted for him are probably going to do the same the next time around. We are the ones that must learn to fall in line so that we can actually make changes.
It was polls like this that lulled some to vote 3rd party or vanity (writing in names of folks not running) in the first place.

Hitler won elections with economic promises and jobs

Listened to Trump this week? Jobs, jobs, jobs, money, money, money

What are you talking about?

By any stretch of the imagination.

Opposition party members were jailed and killed in the weeks leading up to it and were preventing from campaigning.

And yet they still did surprisingly well.

Check out this brief article:

http://www.dw.com/en/voting-in-the-midst-of-nazi-terror/a-16646980

Also, jobs were not really a major issue. Take a look at some of the speeches from that period.

Example:

and he was very popular, just look at all the rallies and the shouting hoards

And his popularity, such as it was, was due to a variety of different factors, most of which were unrelated to job creation.

Peace.

25 percent is a lot of people.

believe President Obama isn't an American, and is a Muslim. The other 10% are just dyed and in the wool republicans

It is highly unlikely that those numbers will change