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Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 11:52 AM Aug 2017

Tina Fey, a grateful nation thanks you...

Whether we realize it or not.

1. How do you make humor out of the decidedly 'unfunny'? Physical comedy. I think we can all agree on that.

2. How does one cut through (as a representative of a publicly traded company) a national tension so thick that a ginsu knife might fail? Screaming into a cake seems about right.

3. If you were expecting an NBC broadcast to call people into the streets to protest (especially after a recent protest turned deadly)...you might want to rethink those expectations.

4. A comedian's job is not to solve national crises, but to find a way to let people at least talk around them (and hopefully also through them) with humor. In that regard Fey succeeded spectacularly.

Speaking for myself (and the people I know), this week was one of shock and horror; the trauma of home grown Nazis killing those that would oppose them, and the stark realization that our nation's highest office belongs to a traitorous white nationalist. We were shocked and horrified beyond words, actually. I mean, how do you get together face-to-face with your friends and say, "hey, I know we've all had a shit week, but why don't we go back and rehash it? That's what we need, right?" If you were in Boston this weekend, sure, you knew what you had to do. But if you were elsewhere?

Enter Tina Fey and her sheet cake. Tina Fey wasn't telling people to give up and eat cake, she was providing a humorous and approachable mechanism by which to talk about what has happened and what we do about it.

I ended up with a piece of sheet cake in front of me yesterday (birthday, not protest). And, you know what, it did help cut the tension of the week a bit.

Thanks for reading.

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Tina Fey, a grateful nation thanks you... (Original Post) Barack_America Aug 2017 OP
Do we need 'a way' to talk about racism, anit-Semitism, misogyny? leftstreet Aug 2017 #1
People are different. Barack_America Aug 2017 #2
If they haven't been following closely, they probably don't watch her leftstreet Aug 2017 #3
The cake was a metaphor, and each bite of that cake was the feeling of helplessness many Americans still_one Aug 2017 #4
Pretty much. Barack_America Aug 2017 #6
I think so still_one Aug 2017 #8
Far-leftists on our local Resist page excoriated Fey. JaneQPublic Aug 2017 #5
Nah, they're just joyless BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #7
Fuck them. murielm99 Aug 2017 #10
Thanks, Muriel, and Happy Birthday! JaneQPublic Aug 2017 #16
Some mainstream (not "Far-leftists") people here are writing the same thing. TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #15
People with no sense of humor. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #19
True, and Lord do we need humor now! (Nt) JaneQPublic Aug 2017 #20
If you do not laugh sometime, you cry. TNNurse Aug 2017 #9
Both of them were icons. murielm99 Aug 2017 #11
I agree TNNurse Aug 2017 #12
Excellent post. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #13
To quote Michael Che NotASurfer Aug 2017 #14
I think right after she vented about self-trained militias... SMC22307 Aug 2017 #17
I would just point out... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #18

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
1. Do we need 'a way' to talk about racism, anit-Semitism, misogyny?
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 11:59 AM
Aug 2017

The satire seemed to be about the people 'unsure' how to talk about or deal with those things. I don't see the humor there.

The satire and memes all over the internet mocking the nazi creeps aggressively agitates and humiliates the freaks - hence it's an additional weapon.

But the cake-stuffing, 'black guy' trannys, 'hot girl' slave shit, I don't see the humor



Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
2. People are different.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 12:11 PM
Aug 2017

Nobody could ignore the events of this week. Most people have not been following along as closely as we on this site (and elsewhere on the internet) have been. Yes, I think Fey's bit was more for those folks than for us. But truly, even though I do talk about this stuff all of the time, putting this week into words was challenging.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
3. If they haven't been following closely, they probably don't watch her
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 12:16 PM
Aug 2017

I understand what you're saying, but her target audience seemed to be the very people already well informed.

It was just my impression, but I'm no expert in comedy or satire

still_one

(92,204 posts)
4. The cake was a metaphor, and each bite of that cake was the feeling of helplessness many Americans
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 12:33 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Sun Aug 20, 2017, 01:20 PM - Edit history (1)

feel as racism, bigotry, and sexism is legitimized. The American flag decorating that cake was completely obliterated, symbolizing the 70 years of civil rights progress being whittled away

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
6. Pretty much.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 01:14 PM
Aug 2017

Did a pretty good job of helping put it into words though, didn't it?

What people seem to be getting hung up on (and rightly so) is, what's consuming the cake? What did Fey represent?

That's the harder thing to understand, face and discuss. But, yes, white privilege is at the core.

But for now, a better universal understanding of the threats to our country, and a context by which to talk about them, is a good thing.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
5. Far-leftists on our local Resist page excoriated Fey.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 01:13 PM
Aug 2017

They said:

1. I'd rather listen to POC than whitesplaining on this (alt-right).

2. She's disgusting - it's not a topic for humor.

3. Tina Fey sees ignoring white supremacists as a solution...

4. You shouldn't bother going to a rally. Just stay home and eat your sorrows away. So problematic on so many levels. Just not funny to me.

One can only assume folks like these must have been equally outraged at the Colbert Report, The Daily Show, and SNL political satire and parody over the years, if it's wrong to make light of serious issues.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
10. Fuck them.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 02:48 PM
Aug 2017

They are divisive and not worth your attention.

I admire many of our comedians right now. I don't know how they find the wherewithal to makes jokes in these times.

My birthday is next week. Maybe I should buy a sheet cake and go sit down in our public park and rail against some of the shit that is happening. But I am no Tina Fey.

I do think that part of the outrage is that she is a girl doing this. It is more okay for Colbert and other men to make jokes.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
16. Thanks, Muriel, and Happy Birthday!
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 03:20 PM
Aug 2017

I, too, wondered about the sexism element, since video clips of male comics posted on our Resistance website haven't elicited the same outrage.

I might also throw in an ageism factor specifically for our website, since membership is 80 percent women age 40+ (mostly Women's March alumna), and the far-left anti-Fey group members are young adults who lecture us old gals as though we're clueless buffoons.

Perhaps in addition to "mansplaining" and "whitesplaining," we need to create the word "millenialsplaining."

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
19. People with no sense of humor.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 05:14 PM
Aug 2017

She's not a politician; she's a comedian. It was a joke. It had no responsibility beyond making people laugh.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
9. If you do not laugh sometime, you cry.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 02:46 PM
Aug 2017

Or you become so depressed you cannot function.

My husband and I just had a conversation about the deaths of Jerry Lewis and Dick Gregory. I was not a Lewis fan, thought he was silly when I was a child. He did however do good work with the MD telethons, which I never watched.

Dick Gregory spent his entire career and life working to make things better for lots of people. Gregory's humor was for a great cause. I am much more touched by his death.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
11. Both of them were icons.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 02:50 PM
Aug 2017

I loved Dick Gregory and his humor spoke to me more than Lewis' humor.

However, Jerry Lewis was a giant of humor in his time. It was about a generation before me, so I respect him but do not find him nearly as funny.

RIP to both of them. We need laughter, no matter what our generation.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. Excellent post.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 03:00 PM
Aug 2017

How funny she was as Palin! How funny she's been in her duos with other comedians! How great a writer she's been for decades!

Until she makes the horrible mistake of her humor not being a call to arms. Forsooth! She is the enemy!

Humor is humor. She makes fun of stuff, particularly current events...and all (I mean ALL) people. She's a comedian. She's not a political satirist, she's not Proust, she's not Martin Luther King. She's a comedian. She's funny.

Even political humorists can't win for losin' with some people. Bill Maher is an example.

Each of us needs to find our own, special little comedian who does jokes only how we say they should be done. But somehow I think that wouldn't be so funny.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
17. I think right after she vented about self-trained militias...
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 03:50 PM
Aug 2017

with insane amounts of weaponry. It's stress/comfort eating and he went for it. Funny, effective moment.

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