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Businessweek Morman caricature cover draws fire (Original Post) demosincebirth Jul 2012 OP
Really Businessweek? How about a cover like that featuring the Pope? hedgehog Jul 2012 #1
I'm all for it.....I think the Pope suing over the latest cover on the German mag msanthrope Jul 2012 #4
Politically correct bigotry. Gotta love it. Zalatix Jul 2012 #2
Why is that 'bigotry' and 'offensive'? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #15
Make your point without making fun of their faith up on the front cover. Zalatix Jul 2012 #18
The 'fun' (ie pointed satire) is aimed at the Mormon leadership, not the 'faith' muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #19
If this cover bothers any mormons tularetom Jul 2012 #3
Oh, it's a scam all right rocktivity Jul 2012 #9
Nobody owes Joseph Smith, a known con artist and philanderer of epic proportions, any respect. LeftyMom Jul 2012 #5
If your heroes are Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, what does that say dimbear Jul 2012 #11
Oh, that rascal. Who'da known he wanted many wives, so he started a religion with a few friends. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #16
The article about how Mormons make money is interesting - large & varied businesses Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #6
It almost functions like a pyramid scheme.... Historic NY Jul 2012 #8
The part about the old folks doing unpaid "senior missions" was interesting. LeftyMom Jul 2012 #10
I know, I ran a historic site and had several groups of young men... Historic NY Jul 2012 #17
not to mention their SHAMELESS political ads when Mitt was first running.. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #12
Sorry but the cover made me laugh.. DCBob Jul 2012 #7
NO effing church should be worth 40 billion dollars.... progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #13
considering that mormons totally raped and ravaged true polynesian cultures..... nt msongs Jul 2012 #14
You misspelled "Merman" slackmaster Jul 2012 #20
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
4. I'm all for it.....I think the Pope suing over the latest cover on the German mag
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 09:54 PM
Jul 2012
Titanic is puerile.
 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
2. Politically correct bigotry. Gotta love it.
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 09:49 PM
Jul 2012

Their point would have been perfectly logical without that kind of unnecessarily offensive cover.

Oh and I'm NOT a Mormon.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
15. Why is that 'bigotry' and 'offensive'?
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 10:35 PM
Jul 2012

The Mormons accept the bit of the gospels about overturning the tables of the money-lenders in the Temple, don't they? Isn't any criticism of a Christian sect for excessive wealth a fair point, asking it to return to its roots?

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
18. Make your point without making fun of their faith up on the front cover.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 04:11 AM
Jul 2012

If we did that to Muslims the thread would get bombarded because we pretty much know that not all of Islam is full of terrorists. I do business with liberal Mormons.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
19. The 'fun' (ie pointed satire) is aimed at the Mormon leadership, not the 'faith'
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:47 AM
Jul 2012

Here's the mall:

Late last March the Mormon Church completed an ambitious project: a megamall. Built for roughly $2 billion, the City Creek Center stands directly across the street from the church’s iconic neo-Gothic temple in Salt Lake City. The mall includes a retractable glass roof, 5,000 underground parking spots, and nearly 100 stores and restaurants, ranging from Tiffany’s (TIF) to Forever 21. Walkways link the open-air emporium with the church’s perfectly manicured headquarters on Temple Square. Macy’s (M) is a stone’s throw from the offices of the church’s president, Thomas S. Monson, whom Mormons believe to be a living prophet.

On the morning of its grand opening, thousands of shoppers thronged downtown Salt Lake, eager to elbow their way into the stores. The national anthem played, and Henry B. Eyring, one of Monson’s top counselors, told the crowds, “Everything that we see around us is evidence of the long-standing commitment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Salt Lake City.” When it came time to cut the mall’s flouncy pink ribbon, Monson, flanked by Utah dignitaries, cheered, “One, two, three—let’s go shopping!”


The theme park:

In addition, the church owns several nonprofit organizations, some of which appear to be lucrative. Take, for example, the Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC), a 42-acre tropical theme park on Oahu’s north shore that hosts luaus, canoe rides, and tours through seven simulated Polynesian villages. General-admission adult tickets cost $49.95; VIP tickets cost up to $228.95. In 2010 the PCC had net assets worth $70 million and collected $23 million in ticket sales alone, as well as $36 million in tax-free donations. The PCC’s president, meanwhile, received a salary of $296,000. At the local level, the PCC, opened in 1963, began paying commercial property taxes in 1992, when the Land and Tax Appeal Court of Hawaii ruled that the theme park “is not for charitable purposes” and is, in fact, a “commercial enterprise and business undertaking.” Nevertheless, the tourist destination remains exempt from federal taxes because the PCC claims to be a “living museum” and an education-oriented charity that employs students who work at the center to pay their way through church-run Brigham Young University-Hawaii.


And if Romney or another rich Mormon finds they face a capital gains tax bill? Well, give it away to their church, which doesn't have to pay the tax, and carries on such charitable activities as, uh, building malls and theme parks:

As a religious organization, the LDS Church enjoys several tax advantages. Like other churches, it is often exempt from paying taxes on the real estate properties it leases out, even to commercial entities, says tax lawyer David Miller, who is not Mormon. The church also doesn’t pay taxes on donated funds and holdings. Mitt Romney and others at Bain Capital, the private equity firm he co-founded in 1984, gave the Mormon Church millions’ worth of stock holdings obtained through Bain deals, according to Reuters. Between 1997 and 2009, these included $2 million in Burger King (BKW) and $1 million in Domino’s Pizza (DPZ) shares. Under U.S. law, churches can legally turn around and sell donated stock without paying capital-gains taxes, a clear advantage for both donor and receiver.

http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/61700-how-the-mormons-make-money


The point is: they're not making fun of the faith. There's nothing on that cover about the faith; it's about the business deals of the incredibly rich church, and its sweet tax position, and how incongruous it is for a religion.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
3. If this cover bothers any mormons
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 09:50 PM
Jul 2012

Then their faith can't be very strong. If they really believe the mumbo jumbo, they won't be upset because a magazine prints a misleading article.

Personally I think it's a scam, but then I feel pretty much the same about all organized religion.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
5. Nobody owes Joseph Smith, a known con artist and philanderer of epic proportions, any respect.
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 09:56 PM
Jul 2012

That gullible people are still buying into his obvious con long after he died doesn't change the objective and undeniable fact that he was a lifelong con artist. He just figured out that religion had a better profit margin and lower conviction rate than horse theft and dowsing, and it let him get busy with married women to boot.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
11. If your heroes are Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, what does that say
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 10:26 PM
Jul 2012

about your own character?

Every American owes it to themselves to learn about these two chaps, the most important Mormons of all time. Wikipedia has good articles on both.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
6. The article about how Mormons make money is interesting - large & varied businesses
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 09:57 PM
Jul 2012

with rank and file mormons working as "volunteers" - donating their hours - while the top people get paid high salaries. And the value of the businesses and money they bring in are kept secret.

Very little of the money goes to charity as a percentage.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
8. It almost functions like a pyramid scheme....
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 10:14 PM
Jul 2012

A pyramid scheme is a fraudulent system of making money which requires an endless stream of recruits for success. Recruits (a) give money to recruiters and (b) enlist fresh recruits to give them money.

http://www.skepdic.com/pyramid.html


LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
10. The part about the old folks doing unpaid "senior missions" was interesting.
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 10:26 PM
Jul 2012

I was under the impression that the whole point of being a missionary was to interact with non-members of one's religion, but these folks were out in the middle of nowhere building a hunting preserve? They didn't recruit anybody, or build something with a religious or charitable purpose, they just built up a new church business. I'm not sure how that's being a missionary at all, and I'm really not sure using their unpaid labor for an obviously non-religious purpose was in any way legal.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
17. I know, I ran a historic site and had several groups of young men...
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 10:50 PM
Jul 2012

come and help me with a few heavy lifitng projects. They were visiting the local church.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
12. not to mention their SHAMELESS political ads when Mitt was first running..
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 10:29 PM
Jul 2012

..they spend millions and millions on their I'm a Mormon campaign, while he was in the primaries.. and it fooled no one, except the IRS and FEC.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
7. Sorry but the cover made me laugh..
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 09:57 PM
Jul 2012

Its mocking the business ties the Mormon church has which is accurate. Its not mocking the religion itself.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
13. NO effing church should be worth 40 billion dollars....
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 10:32 PM
Jul 2012

with that kind of money, with 6 BILLION in tithing each year, hunger in America should be gone.

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