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babylonsister

(171,075 posts)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:00 AM Jul 2012

NYT: (GOP Inflicts) More Pain for the Working Poor



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/opinion/more-pain-for-the-working-poor.html?_r=1


More Pain for the Working Poor
Published: July 13, 2012


The House Agriculture Committee has approved an unconscionable farm bill that protects grossly generous subsidies for the agriculture industry by cutting food stamps by a staggering $16.5 billion over the next decade.

The cuts — more than triple the $4.5 billion approved in the Senate — would deny two million to three million people food assistance of $90 a month per family, end free school meals for 280,000 children and compound recession hardships for the working poor.

House Republicans drove the cuts with complaints that the food stamp program is swollen with people taking advantage of overly generous standards. This is a canard — the Congressional Budget Office has found that nearly 99 percent of food stamp participants live in poverty.


The committee’s Republican majority attracted some farm-state Democrats in approving a $969 billion farm bill over 10 years. They bragged of reining in farm expenditures by $35 billion, but about 45 percent of this savings was taken out of food stamps; indefensible subsidies bolstering corn, wheat, soybeans and other powerful industry lobbies were largely spared. If Senate Democrats aim to split the difference in food stamp cuts, rather than fighting the House, the poor will be seriously hurt.

Speaker John Boehner might not allow a floor vote because he is reportedly wary of another embarrassing uprising by Tea Party members demanding even deeper cuts — and presenting cogent arguments in some cases against wasteful largess for the agriculture industry.

If there is no agreement by Sept. 30, a short-term extension of the current farm program would be the alternative. That may not be a good outcome, but it would at least delay cuts to food aid.
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bowens43

(16,064 posts)
2. I expect this kind of thing from the cons but what I find most strange is the fact
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:19 AM
Jul 2012

that the vast majority of the hard core right wingers who consistently attack the poor and the weak believe themselves to be christians.....I guess they've never actually read the new testament.... I don't think I remember christ saying anything about taking from the poor to give to the rich...

salin

(48,955 posts)
3. We can't subsidize people in poverty, to ensure they can eat... but we can afford to subsidize
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:34 AM
Jul 2012

corporate agribusiness operations. It's the GOP way.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
4. Then I guess it's okay to throw money at the Pentagon when we know there is waste
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:47 AM
Jul 2012

and fraud at almost every step of the way with the Pentagon procuring process...

All I can think is that a self-professing "Christian" nation would listen to Jesus when he said that, how you treat the least among you will show your true colors, or some short of thing like that...

Makes me want to puke.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. According to the winger I spoke with yesterday, the poor aren't really poor...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:06 AM
Jul 2012

... and $250,000 / year isn't all that much to get by on.



As you can see, reasoning with this person was futile.

TriplD

(176 posts)
7. Robbing the poor to pay themselves
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:24 AM
Jul 2012


Bachmann Has Income from Subsidized Farm
By Jonathan D. Salant and Lisa Lerer - Aug 16, 2011 3:33 PM ET

Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, a critic of federal spending, received between $5,000 and $15,000 in income last year from a family farm that has received more than $250,000 in federal subsidies, according to her most recent House financial-disclosure form.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-16/bachmann-has-income-from-subsidized-farm.html


Is there a complete list of Republicans who receive government farm subsidies? There was a GOP governor (from Iowa ?) on CSPAN this morning who dodged the issue when a caller called him out on receiving farm subsidies.
 

Redneck2

(3 posts)
8. B.S.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 01:40 PM
Jul 2012

If I recall correctly something like 65% of the current farm bill goes to food programs. If it only stood 45% of the cuts it's hard to argue injustice!

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
10. Bad logic.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 02:40 PM
Jul 2012

It makes little sense to evaluate the current farm bill vs. previous expenditures. It makes sense to evaluate it vs. current needs.

Not only is this bill cutting essential funding, it includes questionable subsidies. For example:

-The Lucas-Peterson farm bill would give every big subsidized grower a raise in the form of higher price guarantees for their crops – at a time when large commercial farms have average household incomes of more than $200,000 a year and net farm income has nearly doubled in recent years. The largest 10 percent of subsidized growers collect roughly three-fourths of federal farm subsidies, so the Lucas-Peterson farm bill will give mega-farms even more tax dollars to drive out small family farmers.

-Right now, farm businesses can get unlimited insurance subsidies. As a result, 26 of them collected more than $1 million each in 2011 and more than 10,000 growers collected more than $100,000 each. Rather than place reasonable limits on crop insurance, the Lucas-Peterson proposal actually expands insurance subsidies – at a cost of more than $9 billion! Reasonable reforms such as payment limits, means testing and administrative reforms – which are applied to SNAP but not crop insurance – could save taxpayers more than $20 billion.

(From http://www.ewg.org/agmag/2012/07/top-ten-reason-to-reject-the-house-farm-bill/)



 

Redneck2

(3 posts)
11. More B.S.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:45 PM
Jul 2012

Projections in 08 guessed the farm program outlay at 16.7b, actual spending for 09,10 was 17.3b yearly. The food program(stamp) estimate was 37.8b, actual came in at 63b. 78.4%
All programs in a farm bill are open ended due to market fluctuation. Therefore what is appropriated isn't the final tally!
The 5 year total for the 08 farm bill was 188.9b in 08, 314.3 in the 10 estimate reflecting actual spending. I not going too look for the final #s as I think the story is told here! I also doubt if they are out anyway.
If across 5 years we spent 401.8b and the next ten years we have projected to spend 969b, where are the cuts?
Boehner should be embarrassed!!
Hope you enjoyed dinner, farm haters!
Nationalaglawcenter.org
Congressional Research Center Dec 13 2010.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
13. Cruel. Also, bad economics given the return on the dollar
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 11:53 PM
Jul 2012

food stamps provide. But we live in an increasingly cruel and ideological country.

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