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OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:20 PM Aug 2017

Family member just came out as transgender.

Has been taking drugs for 5 mos. Would appreciate advice on how to deal w/ his/now her parents and how not to be a jerk. He/she came out on FB which was quite shocking, but perhaps the way to go these days. He/she posted a picture wearing a dress. No surgeries yet. What is protocol? Do I call her "her" now? Help. I don't want to be an insensitive idiot.

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Family member just came out as transgender. (Original Post) OldHippieChick Aug 2017 OP
Picturing myself in your place... Croney Aug 2017 #1
Damn OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #2
Me too davekriss Aug 2017 #39
This. n/t Different Drummer Aug 2017 #44
Be supportive..... chillfactor Aug 2017 #3
Talk first to the person Maeve Aug 2017 #4
She's already chosen a new name. OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #8
Ok then changing my advice on parents to say Maeve Aug 2017 #13
She has been very brave Perhaps let her know by calling her by her new name that you affirm her lunasun Aug 2017 #14
Agree with this--calling her by her chosen name is very supportative eom Maeve Aug 2017 #19
yes you refer to her as "she" and "her" Skittles Aug 2017 #5
Do we have a trans forum? OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #9
LGBT group. irisblue Aug 2017 #27
we have lgbT forum. mopinko Aug 2017 #28
The personal note of support is by far the most important. Blue_true Aug 2017 #23
I have a trans friend wryter2000 Aug 2017 #6
Ask what the person wants. Find out what they prefer and what name they will use. procon Aug 2017 #7
I would offer congratulations! Cracklin Charlie Aug 2017 #10
I'm making this way more painful and OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #11
Oh, yeah. Cracklin Charlie Aug 2017 #32
You call her what she wants to be called. Laffy Kat Aug 2017 #12
So happy for all the good advice. I just sent OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #15
Perfect. nt Laffy Kat Aug 2017 #16
well done! chillfactor Aug 2017 #21
"she" is appropriate, and use whatever name she tells you. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2017 #17
Thank you. I obviously need to do OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #18
This is probably a good place to start Spider Jerusalem Aug 2017 #24
Just experienced this with a dear friend's child mcar Aug 2017 #20
Mother's intuition? Blue_true Aug 2017 #26
He was born female so I don't think so mcar Aug 2017 #31
No, you were perfectly clear. But the struggle young people Blue_true Aug 2017 #34
Talk to the individual and ask how they wish to be addressed tymorial Aug 2017 #22
"She," and whatever she chose as her new name obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #25
Ask. Many people who are transgender Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #29
I agree it took me a long time not to make an occasional mistake with a friend of 20 years lunasun Aug 2017 #35
How would like to be treated? Warpy Aug 2017 #30
Wise and beautiful words. chia Aug 2017 #33
Among the other good suggestions about pronouns and names... politicat Aug 2017 #36
This is so interesting as part of my confusion is OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #37
That's their business, and they have and will figure it out. politicat Aug 2017 #43
You are 100% correct and I have OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #45
Ask the person about preferences. That's the simplest thing. MineralMan Aug 2017 #38
Fortunately, others are asking these questions so we're OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #40
As long as you have a good heart and sincerely try to understand, MineralMan Aug 2017 #41
Ask them what their preferred name/pronouns are Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #42
This is a good reason to do this on FB as they questions are being asked by others and she is OldHippieChick Aug 2017 #46

chillfactor

(7,584 posts)
3. Be supportive.....
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:26 PM
Aug 2017

she/he may tell people how she/he wishes to be addressed. Call him/her by his/her name....I do not think the sexual gender has to be addressed.

Maeve

(42,288 posts)
4. Talk first to the person
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:26 PM
Aug 2017

Ask what pronoun they prefer now (and don't beat yourself up if/when you use the wrong one for a while). About all you can say to the parents is "It's still (name) and we love (name)." at least until you know more. I found this website useful https://www.gires.org.uk/ and you may find others in the LGBT forum here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/113720777

Advice given for what it's worth from someone who's going thru a similar situation. Hugs.

Maeve

(42,288 posts)
13. Ok then changing my advice on parents to say
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:35 PM
Aug 2017

"We love her as (new name) just as much as (old name)"

My family member is making it a longer transition (over two year period), so I tend to caution.

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
5. yes you refer to her as "she" and "her"
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:26 PM
Aug 2017

send her a personal note telling her you support her.....ask her if she'd like to join us here on DU

mopinko

(70,216 posts)
28. we have lgbT forum.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:06 PM
Aug 2017

my situation is a little stickier, as my daughter has identified as non-gendered. "she" prefers the pronoun ze or their, and has chosen a new, pretty much non-gendered name.
ze is also polyamorous. i dont care about that, but i cant stand the #1 boyfriend lol.

i am way, way more concerned about their extensive health problems.
ze is disabled, and that is whole other layer of complication to the situation.

and yes, i kept typing she here, and having to go back and change it. ze doesnt judge me too much, and has patiently explained stuff i never thought about.

one little tip, i changed the name associated w their email to reflect the chosen name.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. The personal note of support is by far the most important.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:49 PM
Aug 2017

It sends a powerful positive message to her. With renewed attacks on Trans people from the right since Trump was elected, messages of support to family and friends that come out are vital.

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
6. I have a trans friend
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:28 PM
Aug 2017

She's way farther along in the process than your family member.

Yes, you use feminine pronouns. Plus tell her you're proud of her courage in coming out.

Barring unforeseen obstacles, my friend will become an Episcopal priest in December. I can't wait.

procon

(15,805 posts)
7. Ask what the person wants. Find out what they prefer and what name they will use.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:29 PM
Aug 2017

If you loved them before, tell them now. Family is forever. Ask the questions you have with respect and be supportive. You'll do fine.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
32. Oh, yeah.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:16 PM
Aug 2017

Be chill. She will love you for it.

I share a grocery store with a beautiful, blonde transgender lady. She is tall, long blond hair beautifully styled, and always impeccably dressed. Putting me to shame. I thought she must be some kind of professional that lived or worked nearby.

One day during the Christmas holidays, I was watching the local early morning news. A local band came on to perform a holiday song of theirs. Imagine my surprise, to see my grocery shopping buddy performing on television!

Of course, beautiful hair, fantastic party dress, and the most amazing voice! Apparently, they are a group of friends that get together at the holidays to be in absolutely wild demand for big parties.

She was great, and I very discreetly told her so, next time I saw her. She is very nice.

Laffy Kat

(16,386 posts)
12. You call her what she wants to be called.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:33 PM
Aug 2017

My son is bi and is dating a trans guy. You treat them exactly how you would treat the gender in which they are transitioning. Never ask them about their treatment or their plans for their genitals. That is considered very rude.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
17. "she" is appropriate, and use whatever name she tells you.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:39 PM
Aug 2017

Also thinking of gender transition in terms of surgery is kind of inappropriate; a significant number of trans people choose not to undergo genital surgery, for one reason or another--cost being one, it costs around $15K, and there are a relatively limited number of urologists with qualification and experience; the risk of complications being another--a neo-vagina isn't self-lubricating, requires dilation basically every day for the rest of your life, there's a not insignificant risk of fistulae, and there's also a risk of loss of sensation (and that's not even getting into the genital surgery options for FTM trans people).

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
18. Thank you. I obviously need to do
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:43 PM
Aug 2017

more research. I assumed if there was no surgery then one was a transsexual. That's how ignorant I am. I do not wish to be ignorant or insensitive.

mcar

(42,373 posts)
20. Just experienced this with a dear friend's child
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:44 PM
Aug 2017

He also came out on Facebook. I told him he was a beautiful, beloved child.

He got a lot of support in this Evangelical town.

As far as him/her, it's a process. He has posted that he felt like a girl while a child so understands that people are adapting. I've got all these photos of the kids all together. His mom always dressed him very girly.

He has a name that is gender neutral so isn't changing it.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. Mother's intuition?
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:00 PM
Aug 2017

When I reached my teens, I struggled with what my sexuality was. I had and still have a very soft face and had boys telling me that I was cute, which didn't help my struggles. The only two people that were sure that I was straight were me and my Mom. I was at that time still years away from losing my virginity, so in the macho world that I grew up in, everyone assumed that I was gay. One of my oldest brothers was bisexual and I saw the hell that he faced.

mcar

(42,373 posts)
31. He was born female so I don't think so
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:16 PM
Aug 2017

Mom was a true southern belle so that's where it came from. Once the child hit puberty, he started dressing more male. I wondered and was not completely surprised now that he's announced he's trans.

Sorry if I was unclear.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
34. No, you were perfectly clear. But the struggle young people
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:27 PM
Aug 2017

face when trying to figure out their sexuality know no sex, it is the same process for all, IMO.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
22. Talk to the individual and ask how they wish to be addressed
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:46 PM
Aug 2017

Let your friend express what he or she needs and take it from there. Your relationship may change or it may not. Every dynamic and situation is different. Your loved one will express what they need even if they really don't have the words. Showing your love, support and encouragement will matter a great deal.

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
25. "She," and whatever she chose as her new name
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 05:58 PM
Aug 2017

She will understand if it takes a while to not slip into old usage.

Ms. Toad

(34,087 posts)
29. Ask. Many people who are transgender
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:10 PM
Aug 2017

do not identify as binary (he or she). They use gender neutral pronouns - ze/zir/zim; they; e/em/es. Pronouns are often very personal and do not necessarily match gender presentation. Ask. It is considerate, and the only way to avoid being a jerk. (Don't ever use he/she. That is a derrogatory term. Better to pick the wrong term than to use a term that is used very intentionally by people suggesting people who are trans are not really legitimate.)

Second, a friend of mine who is trans told everyone that they had as long to get her new pronouns right as they had known her. So if you just met her, she expected you to use the right pronouns from day 1. If you had known her a year, you had a year to make the switch. Etc.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
35. I agree it took me a long time not to make an occasional mistake with a friend of 20 years
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:59 PM
Aug 2017

Not 20 but still, even after a few years a he for a she slip would come . Now what 7 or 8 yrs , hasn't happened for a long time and probably won't . Takes time to settle and she always let it pass, which was kind of her.

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
30. How would like to be treated?
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:15 PM
Aug 2017

Transitioning has got to be tough as hell. Drugs can do only so much but that's all people have while they're in the early stages. Docs want them to be absolutely sure and living as their internal gender before any surgery is even contemplated. Many trans people of both genders never have surgery for many reasons.

Call her what she wants to be called.

As for her parents, just listen. Let them talk it through without judgment.

The first trans woman I knew was in 1966. She had a job as a female secretary in another town. I didn't know her all that well and only found out she was trans through a boozy confession. To my credit, I kept my big mouth shut about it and called her by her preferred name.

I can't say I understand the first thing about transitioning. I don't think understanding is required. What is required is to respect the person doing it, and that means using the new name and the appropriate pronouns.

chia

(2,244 posts)
33. Wise and beautiful words.
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:26 PM
Aug 2017

These last sentences of yours:

"I can't say I understand the first thing about transitioning. I don't think understanding is required. What is required is to respect the person doing it, and that means using the new name and the appropriate pronouns."

politicat

(9,808 posts)
36. Among the other good suggestions about pronouns and names...
Fri Aug 25, 2017, 07:41 PM
Aug 2017

Update her contact info to reflect her name, and send a "rebirthday" gift. Coming out should be celebrated (even a $20 gift card or a piece of family costume jewelry). Put a reminder to send a card on this date in one year. Try *really, really* hard to not use her deadname (the one she was given at birth). That can be really painful.

Surgery isn't necessary, and isn't always desired, so don't poke at that. It doesn't matter that much and it doesn't matter what's going on under other people's clothes. Some transpeople don't want to take the risks of severed nerves and anesthesia; some cannot afford the time or money; some think their bodies are just fine once the hormones get going. We don't usually think about the state of cis gendered people's genitals unless we're actually interested in sexytimes with them; there's no reason to think about it with our transfamilies.

Let her lead, let her know you're there for whatever she needs, and just keep caring. Do poke other family members to not be jerks if you see them being jerks.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
37. This is so interesting as part of my confusion is
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:35 AM
Aug 2017

that she is married already - to a woman - and I wondered how things would be between them now. Apparently there are many options I had not even considered.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
43. That's their business, and they have and will figure it out.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:59 AM
Aug 2017

If you weren't part of their sex lives before, there's no reason to be part of it now. People's sex lives change over the course of their lifetimes. This change is a matter of degree, not a matter of kind.

It's okay to be intensely curious, but realize that's about you, and you wouldn't want to cause discomfort by being a 1) family member who is 2) asking questions you wouldn't have asked before. That's your general rule: if you never considered it before, and it wasn't your business before, it isn't now. If they (singular or plural) feel comfortable with your support, and want you to know something, trust that they (sing/pl) will tell you.

If you really, really need to know the mechanics so that you can get comfortable with and past the idea, read some trans fiction, written by trans writers. You'll a) be supporting the art of people who have a heck of a time making a living anyway, and b) be engaging with the community. There are a lot of perspectives on trans/non-binary genders, orientations and practicalities even within the trans/non-binary community, so the wider your exposure, the better. Just avoid the filmed porn -- that's often throughly infused with objectification, fetish, and stereotypes, plus being exploitative as hell. (Erotica tends to be somewhat better, but can still be squicky.) If you want recommendations, give me a little time, or try some on this list: https://www.bookish.com/articles/21-must-read-books-for-transgender-awareness-month/

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
45. You are 100% correct and I have
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 01:44 PM
Aug 2017

no intention of asking any questions I never would have asked before. Just amazing how much I have to learn.

MineralMan

(146,331 posts)
38. Ask the person about preferences. That's the simplest thing.
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:49 AM
Aug 2017

Then, from there, you'll have a better idea about how to talk to other family members. I'm sure they know about it already, since FB was used to make an announcement.

It's a process. Only the person herself can tell you how she'd like to proceed. There will likely be many awkward moments.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
40. Fortunately, others are asking these questions so we're
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:54 AM
Aug 2017

getting answers about pronouns and the new name. I'm sure she or her mother will answer any questions I have. I just want to be sensitive in the way I ask. Ignorance can be insensitive so I'm attempting to learn before show my ignorance.

MineralMan

(146,331 posts)
41. As long as you have a good heart and sincerely try to understand,
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 10:55 AM
Aug 2017

things will go OK. Like I said, there will be awkward moments, no doubt, but a new norm will get established in time.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
42. Ask them what their preferred name/pronouns are
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 11:51 AM
Aug 2017

and stick with it. Also, don't bombard them with questions or at least allow them to decline to answer them. Educate yourself and stick up for them especially if the family is unsupportive.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
46. This is a good reason to do this on FB as they questions are being asked by others and she is
Sat Aug 26, 2017, 01:45 PM
Aug 2017

sharing. Educational for me and hopefully freeing for her.

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