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Augiedog

(2,548 posts)
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 09:17 AM Aug 2017

Is it possible to boycott a person? Can Arpaio be singled out? Made unwelcome no matter where

goes? Even if such an effort is untenable perhaps its message is worth doing just as an exercise in Americans taking back their country. Make America great as it can be. Hold criminals, including and maybe especially law enforcement criminals, accountable. Law enforcement individuals take an oath to uphold the law, not to impose their own variants of law on select groups who they may not approve of.

Why should anyone have to serve an avowed racist and lawless lawman? Right wing extremists constantly cry that they have the right to serve whomever they please. I can think of no better contemporary individual currently deserving societal ouster. Maybe you can but that's not my argument.

Trump's pardon of Arpaio is not just simply a case of a deserving man getting a second chance. This is a racist law enforcement kingpin who flaunted the law and the courts, believing of himself to be THE law unto himself. He replaced the law with Arpaioism as the operating system for the people of Arizona.

There was nothing accidental nor redemptive about what Arpaio did or intended to continue doing if he was allowed the reigns of power again. The message being sent by Trump is one of law enforcement anarchy aimed at the most vulnerable in our society. This is a morally, ethically, cowardly and disgusting event and should not be allowed to stand alone unanswered by the public at large.

What message is being sent to other law enforcement officials across the nation, what will their take away be from this pardon? What group will be targeted by some rogue agent next, will it be you and your contemporaries? The trump justice dept is already looking to get a list of inauguration protesters from an internet company. How long before Attorney General Sessions needs a pardon, and how much harm will he have caused?

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Is it possible to boycott a person? Can Arpaio be singled out? Made unwelcome no matter where (Original Post) Augiedog Aug 2017 OP
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what does the first amendment have to do with boycotting someone? Welcome to du uppityperson Aug 2017 #7
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Who is demanding to take away those rights? What rights, specifically, are you talking about? uppityperson Aug 2017 #9
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The 1st Amendment doesn't work the way... WePurrsevere Aug 2017 #15
The first amendment doesn't excuse someone from consequences of their behaviour. uppityperson Aug 2017 #31
Boycotting a person does not affect his first amendment rights. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #14
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Why yes now that you mention it...my Dad's entire maternal side of the family died in Germany and Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #20
Oh, we have a LIVE one. Adrahil Aug 2017 #24
Poetry to my ears. Thank you ChubbyStar Aug 2017 #28
Well stated. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #29
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This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Aug 2017 #33
Fuckin'a. God damn curse words really piss of people trying to have a uppityperson Aug 2017 #35
I have it on good authority that while Joe Arpaio, for instance, is having an innocent Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #36
I have family members who lived under Nazi occupation for four long, terrifying years. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2017 #25
Welcome to DU...must say a defender of good old Joe is hard to find here...and rightfully so. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #18
Translation: Leave Sheriff Joe alone! FSogol Aug 2017 #12
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You post are completely clear. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #21
Honey those aren't words coming out of your mouth ChubbyStar Aug 2017 #27
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Is English your second language? nt fleabiscuit Aug 2017 #34
Obviously Maricopa county loves the fucker HAB911 Aug 2017 #2
He is a hero to the right wingers FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #3
He'll get a 10-minute standing ovation everywhere he goes dalton99a Aug 2017 #5
Exactly, see Oliver North and G Gordon Liddy, two crimminals who are treated like RW heroes. n/t FSogol Aug 2017 #13
He's not going to have problems finding a comfortable place and people that love him, sadly. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #4
Best one to answer this question: O.J. UTUSN Aug 2017 #6
That seems to be what happened to George Zimmerman LanternWaste Aug 2017 #10
He made over $100K selling the gun he used to kill Trayvon Martin oberliner Aug 2017 #22
Arpaio is only a consigliere. Orsino Aug 2017 #16
LOTs of criminal types out there...I guess a server could choose to refuse jmg257 Aug 2017 #23
To some extent he already is feeling very alone Sanity Claws Aug 2017 #26
It certainly is possible canetoad Aug 2017 #37

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uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
9. Who is demanding to take away those rights? What rights, specifically, are you talking about?
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 11:46 AM
Aug 2017
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
15. The 1st Amendment doesn't work the way...
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:29 PM
Aug 2017

You seem to think it does.

Here's the exact wording of the 1st Amendment...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


It's pretty clear that the 1st Amendment only protects us from the U.S. government passing laws to restrict our speech. It doesn't restrict the private sector from restricting someone's speech. For instance... a private home or biz can restrict you from calling people names or preaching whatever religion or political stance you choose to espouse and the public can boycott any person/biz they want to.

While you can say, "I don't like you boycotting this person/biz" I'm free to ignore you and boycott who I chose to and it's not unconstitutional. It's only if the gov stops people from boycotting that it's treading on their 1st Amendment.

uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
31. The first amendment doesn't excuse someone from consequences of their behaviour.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 02:49 PM
Aug 2017

That's quite the interpretation.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
14. Boycotting a person does not affect his first amendment rights.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:17 PM
Aug 2017

Rather it is using your first amendment rights...and I do believe we can make him acceptable only to Nazis if we work at it.

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Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
20. Why yes now that you mention it...my Dad's entire maternal side of the family died in Germany and
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:41 PM
Aug 2017

Eastern Europe...they were German Jews. My great Grandma and Grandpa came over and changed their religion in Wisconsin. There was a family rift. My Grandma who had my Dad late in life tried to save as many as she could, but thanks to bigots similar to the ones that marched in Charlottesville and good old Sheriff Joe, she failed. None survived. Our family is the last branch of that before the war very numerous family who lived mostly in Germany...so I guess I can say what I choose. Sherriff Joe is a brown shirt type...it suits him.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
24. Oh, we have a LIVE one.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 01:02 PM
Aug 2017

First off, if you're going to ask for credentials, my mother was born in 1938 in Berlin. Fortunately for her, she was not one of the people the Nazis decided weren't worthy to live.

Unfortunately for her, regardless of that, the Nazis brought war to her family (and mine), resulting in death and destruction. My grandfather died in a trainyard during a bombing raid. My grandmother was raped by Soviet soldiers who captured Berlin. Whose fault was that? The fucking Nazis.

Let me be clear. Those who side with men like Joe Arpaio are embracing the same philosophy as the Nazis.

You wanna play silly semantic games? Go right ahead. I denounce such nonsense. Indeed, the First Amendment prevents the government from stifling his speech. It does not, however, restrict me in that way at all. I am not obliged to facilitate, or even tolerate such "hateful" speech myself.

FUCK Joe Arpaio, Fuck Donald Trump, and fuck any apologist for them.

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uppityperson

(115,679 posts)
35. Fuckin'a. God damn curse words really piss of people trying to have a
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 03:58 PM
Aug 2017

conversation about Nazi supporting racists. I mean, REALLY!!! The gall!!! I'm SERIES!!!!!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
36. I have it on good authority that while Joe Arpaio, for instance, is having an innocent
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 06:28 PM
Aug 2017

person tortured for being brown, he does not allow curse words.

I mean torture is bad, but curse words? has to be a line...

greatauntoftriplets

(175,749 posts)
25. I have family members who lived under Nazi occupation for four long, terrifying years.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 01:11 PM
Aug 2017

They did what they could to resist. One cousin lived in an apartment building where one unit was occupied for the duration by an SS officer. After their country was finally liberated and he had to make a nasty exit, the building residents went and looted his apartment. herr drumpf and arpaio are clearly made of the same cloth as Hitler; they just haven't gone as far -- yet. Give them enough leeway, and they will. Fuck drumpf, arpaio and all of their followers.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
18. Welcome to DU...must say a defender of good old Joe is hard to find here...and rightfully so.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:36 PM
Aug 2017

Basically he turned his prisons into concentration camps and killed some due to the horrific conditions...a monster for sure. Boycotting him is what he deserves and will get...lets make his last few years as miserable as he made those whose very life he controlled...and was responsible for. There are other sites that may share your worry about Joe's first amendment rights...this isn't one of them. Oh and the first amendment only deals with the government ...not private people who decide to boycott a racist piece of crap.

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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
3. He is a hero to the right wingers
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 09:45 AM
Aug 2017

He can find free meals and an appreciative audience all across the country.

FSogol

(45,525 posts)
13. Exactly, see Oliver North and G Gordon Liddy, two crimminals who are treated like RW heroes. n/t
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:14 PM
Aug 2017
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. That seems to be what happened to George Zimmerman
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 11:49 AM
Aug 2017

That seems to be what happened to George Zimmerman, once a right-wing, NRA darling who was reduced to selling paintings of the Confederate battle flag from his favorite, No-Muslims-Allows gun shop, Florida Gun Supply.

He's certainly no hero anymore... just another hack that gets eye rolls and ignored by the media, by the people as a whole, and by pop culture.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. He made over $100K selling the gun he used to kill Trayvon Martin
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:43 PM
Aug 2017
It Looks Like George Zimmerman Sold the Gun That Killed Trayvon Martin for $138,900

https://news.vice.com/article/george-zimmerman-auction-sold-gun-that-killed-trayvon-martin

That was just last year.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
16. Arpaio is only a consigliere.
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:30 PM
Aug 2017

His crimes required the complicity of hundreds, and that organization still exists.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
23. LOTs of criminal types out there...I guess a server could choose to refuse
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 12:50 PM
Aug 2017

service to anyone s/he was offended by.

That should be good.

Sanity Claws

(21,852 posts)
26. To some extent he already is feeling very alone
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 01:27 PM
Aug 2017

The NY Times puts out a daily podcast called The Daily. You can access it at the NY Times website or through Apple podcasts. Today it focused on Arapaio. He is so alone that he told the reporter that he had all day to talk to her. He practically begged her to stay.

canetoad

(17,183 posts)
37. It certainly is possible
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 06:34 PM
Aug 2017

And it's called being "Sent to Coventry".

To be ignored or ostracised. This behaviour often takes the form of pretending that the shunned person, although conspicuously present, can't be seen or heard.

The origins of this phrase aren't known, although it is quite probable that events in Coventry in the English Civil War in the 1640s play a part. For those not familiar with the UK, Coventry is an industrial city in Warwickshire, England. It is well-known for its two cathedrals; the modern cathedral being built in 1962 to replace the old cathedral, which was destroyed during an intense German bombing raid in 1940.

In the 17th century, when this phrase is supposed to have originated, Coventry was a small town. It has been suggested that the phrase, although we now use it in an allusory sense, originated from people being actually sent there.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/sent-to-coventry.html
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