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BREAKING: Mattis Freezes Transgender Policy (Original Post) djsunyc Aug 2017 OP
Great news!! herding cats Aug 2017 #1
No reversal, no blockage, not a thing, Mattis simply following Trump's orders. rgbecker Aug 2017 #59
Take that, Trump C_U_L8R Aug 2017 #2
K&R... spanone Aug 2017 #3
Yes shenmue Aug 2017 #4
countdown to his fring starts now... i'm sure he'll be revealed as a "leaker" Takket Aug 2017 #5
I don't think so. Trump used the transgender community as a pawn in his distraction ecstatic Aug 2017 #8
We're Transgender (men or women or persons) Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #21
sorry. I'll change it. nt ecstatic Aug 2017 #22
Thanks! Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #23
A good reminder Orrex Aug 2017 #46
Yep pretty much fire me now boss GusBob Aug 2017 #10
well done Mattis! chillfactor Aug 2017 #6
Is he MyOwnPeace Aug 2017 #7
No he isn't. former9thward Aug 2017 #34
And who's to say Plucketeer Aug 2017 #53
He is on Trump's $h!t list now! imanamerican63 Aug 2017 #9
I was hoping someone with common sense would weigh in Portland_Anni Aug 2017 #11
And those who serve in the military among the transgender community is higher JI7 Aug 2017 #15
I was thinking that. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #36
In my experiance, the current Military culture allows for every type of human to serve The Polack MSgt Aug 2017 #42
Trump, is totally F'ed up. He's off his rocker, plus a sociopath and and bunch of things. I'm glad RKP5637 Aug 2017 #18
He was angry when trump announced it the first time JI7 Aug 2017 #12
Dig in, General. JohnnyLib2 Aug 2017 #13
K&R!!! Great to hear!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #14
Holy crap!! Bleacher Creature Aug 2017 #16
K&R Scurrilous Aug 2017 #17
K&R uppityperson Aug 2017 #19
So basically the country is run by generals?! uponit7771 Aug 2017 #20
Military coup SHRED Aug 2017 #24
Never thought a military coup would be a good thing. How far have we come when we are happy the Amaryllis Aug 2017 #32
the Military use to be useful in Turkey in keeping the Fundies out of power until Erdogan came along JI7 Aug 2017 #38
just stunning. mopinko Aug 2017 #27
Sure hope someone is hiding the football.... Amaryllis Aug 2017 #33
Wouldn't be surprised if Politicub Aug 2017 #60
ted lieu has proposed a bill. mopinko Aug 2017 #61
When the only alternative is a vindictive mental deficient,....... WinkyDink Aug 2017 #47
k&r DesertRat Aug 2017 #25
They're ALL turning on him. George II Aug 2017 #26
Slooooow walkin' Stinky The Clown Aug 2017 #28
Sanity prevails democratisphere Aug 2017 #29
Thank God for Mattis. Hieronymus Aug 2017 #30
Take that you know-nothing, never-served piece of shit. Glimmer of Hope Aug 2017 #31
Good news. zentrum Aug 2017 #35
Mattis strikes me as an old school guy. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #37
Clickbait headline, read the attached article X_Digger Aug 2017 #39
Mattis was angry when Trump announced the ban. Mattis likely has no intention of banning anyone JI7 Aug 2017 #43
They could make the study take years IronLionZion Aug 2017 #50
A REAL Patriot! Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #40
k&R burrowowl Aug 2017 #41
Those "studies" can take a long, long time. Perhaps until after the impeachment. Hekate Aug 2017 #44
Pence will also support the ban, and probably worse. Oneironaut Aug 2017 #52
The Pentagon knows what to do. The changes Barack Obama made were because he paved the way... Hekate Aug 2017 #56
This was expected in military circles Lee-Lee Aug 2017 #45
Bloody well should... LakeArenal Aug 2017 #48
All these people cheering clearly didn't read the article. Calista241 Aug 2017 #49
Oh oh. Trump not happy SummerSnow Aug 2017 #51
Not so fast. . . matt819 Aug 2017 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Aug 2017 #55
His speech was great, "until we can take our country back" Alice11111 Aug 2017 #57
Every bit of this is offensive. Every single bit. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #58

rgbecker

(4,834 posts)
59. No reversal, no blockage, not a thing, Mattis simply following Trump's orders.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:41 PM
Aug 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029533603

I'm responding to you to get this info high on the reply list....saving people reading stuff that is poorly headlined.

ecstatic

(32,740 posts)
8. I don't think so. Trump used the transgender community as a pawn in his distraction
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 09:20 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Tue Aug 29, 2017, 10:06 PM - Edit history (1)

campaign. His cruelty has no bounds. I don't believe he gives a damn either way.

Orrex

(63,228 posts)
46. A good reminder
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 07:09 AM
Aug 2017

Regrettably, I was slow to get the terminology right myself, and I know that I used the term "transgendered" when I didn't know better. Never out of malice, but out of dumb ignorance.

Then a woman I know explained it very simply: "You wouldn't say a gayed man or a a lesbianed woman, would you?"

And that was the end of it!


I am grateful for the people patient enough to help me grow.

former9thward

(32,094 posts)
34. No he isn't.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 10:51 PM
Aug 2017

Trump said no new transgendered should be allowed into the military. He said nothing about those already in the military.

Portland_Anni

(164 posts)
11. I was hoping someone with common sense would weigh in
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 09:24 PM
Aug 2017

I served as a transgender woman in the 1970s and 80s. I went through attenpts ro out me then punish me. I took one Article 15 to a special court martial and won. This has been a stressful and angering experience watching Trump callously use thousands of lives as so much red meat to throw ar his base for brownie points. I hate that bastard

JI7

(89,276 posts)
15. And those who serve in the military among the transgender community is higher
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 09:30 PM
Aug 2017

Than among the overall population.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,906 posts)
36. I was thinking that.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 11:17 PM
Aug 2017

I have no clue how many people are actually transgender, but it seems as if a rather high number of military personnel are.

That must say something very interesting about transgender people. The military life isn't a particularly easy one, and there's a high degree of conformity expected, which is why I've been so amazed to see how many current and former military are stepping forward and publicly acknowledging being trans.

The Polack MSgt

(13,200 posts)
42. In my experiance, the current Military culture allows for every type of human to serve
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 12:58 AM
Aug 2017

Who is considered "fit for service" has expanded over the decades, but as soon as a new category is included, Regulations are updated to reflect that inclusiveness. The services actually do attempt to execute the directions they receive - and as an all volunteer force the leadership is loathe to ban any category of people who are "fit to serve"

It is not perfect, for example, the regulations mandating segregation were struck down in 1947, but in the field, most units weren't fully integrated until the mid to late 50s.

There wasn't a corps of black officer or NCO leadership in place right away, that took years to develop, and racists (even today) push back.

There were race riots on Minot AFB North Dakota in the early 70s, for example.

But in the last 60 years an institutional memory of what it took to break through those obstacles has been promulgated throughout the force. It took less than a minute for the supposedly conservative leadership in all branches of the military to shrug and collectively say "Whatever" when gays were allowed to serve openly.

Same with Transgendered people - it turned out to be a non event.

But for the false brave, self serving anti-patriots who populate the GOP, kicking those who are different has become their only policy.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
18. Trump, is totally F'ed up. He's off his rocker, plus a sociopath and and bunch of things. I'm glad
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 09:45 PM
Aug 2017

Mattis is in there, seems to have a level head and not afraid to tell the ass in the WH to F off.

Amaryllis

(9,525 posts)
32. Never thought a military coup would be a good thing. How far have we come when we are happy the
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 10:42 PM
Aug 2017

general is defying the POTUS?

JI7

(89,276 posts)
38. the Military use to be useful in Turkey in keeping the Fundies out of power until Erdogan came along
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 11:26 PM
Aug 2017

mopinko

(70,262 posts)
27. just stunning.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 10:18 PM
Aug 2017

pretty sure i have never seen anything like it.

you know he is hiding the football.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
60. Wouldn't be surprised if
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:52 PM
Aug 2017

congress passed legislation in secret that requires more people than Trump to agree to authorize a nuclear strike. I have no evidence, of course. Just a thought.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
29. Sanity prevails
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 10:26 PM
Aug 2017

for the moment. Looks like drumpf is setting himself up for a mutiny by several cabinet members. Mattis offers hope.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
37. Mattis strikes me as an old school guy.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 11:18 PM
Aug 2017

I remember when they were debating gays in the military back in the 90s and Barry Goldwater said "I don't care if a soldier is straight, only that he shoots straight."

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
39. Clickbait headline, read the attached article
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 11:32 PM
Aug 2017

"The president issued that notification Friday night. It directed Mattis to study the issue and determine how to implement Trump's direction"

Mattis isn't doing anything except what Drumpf told him to.

JI7

(89,276 posts)
43. Mattis was angry when Trump announced the ban. Mattis likely has no intention of banning anyone
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:02 AM
Aug 2017

he is probably just waiting things out and keeping a handle on things until trump is gone.

IronLionZion

(45,550 posts)
50. They could make the study take years
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:45 AM
Aug 2017

really draw it out, be very thorough about it, and Dumbo will forget about it.

Hekate

(90,848 posts)
44. Those "studies" can take a long, long time. Perhaps until after the impeachment.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:32 AM
Aug 2017

Thank you, General Mattis.

Oneironaut

(5,530 posts)
52. Pence will also support the ban, and probably worse.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:48 AM
Aug 2017

Hopefully the study will take 4+ years, just in time for a Democratic Congress and President.

Hekate

(90,848 posts)
56. The Pentagon knows what to do. The changes Barack Obama made were because he paved the way...
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 12:52 PM
Aug 2017

The culture had already changed in the younger generation and he proved it. Nothing by fiat for Barack. No tweets in the night. Methodical. It will be hard to undo what he put in place without drastic damage.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
45. This was expected in military circles
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:51 AM
Aug 2017

When you make a new policy based on medical readiness and deployability- what this will be based on- it takes them time to deal with the people already in after they make the decision to bar new enlistments.

They still won't retain most in, based on the issues revolving around the need for hormone therapy and how that can't be supported in a wartime deployed environment. What they will do is end up discharging most of them on medical grounds via the same process used if someone develops another medical condition that is not compatible with the demands of military service. A few that don't require and special hormone therapy, hormone monitoring or mental health care will probably be allowed to finish enlistenents or make a few last years to retirement but then won't be allowed to reenlist.

It's not unlike how they manage a lot of other things. When services have changed tatoo policies they barred new enlistees whose tattoos didn't meet the new rules but let people in whose tattoos didn't meet the rules stay but did not allow them to reenlist. I saw the Army deal with the same thing as Sleep Apnea and doctors prescribing CPAPs became more common, first you couldn't enlist if you needed a CPAP and then they started going case by case and either discharging, retiring or placing a bar to reenlistment on people who were prescribed a CPAP.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
49. All these people cheering clearly didn't read the article.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:35 AM
Aug 2017

Mattis is not disobeying Trump. He's not "creatively interpreting" Trump's order to let transgender people serve. He's straight up doing what Trump told him to do.

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