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kentuck

(111,104 posts)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:07 PM Jul 2012

Should Democrats put the Bain issue on the back burner for a bit?

And focus on the tax return issue? Keep them off balance. I'm sure they have been working on their response to Bain.

A new mantra should be, 'What is he hiding??"

Nobody, Democrats or Republicans, believe someone should run for President and not have their finances transparent. It is simply not acceptable.

Instead of talking about Bain for a few days, we should be asking, "What is he hiding". Anyway, the Bain story has been vented fairly well at this moment and there is not a lot more to gain from it at this time. Give it a couple of weeks and bring it back up. Keep them on the defensive.

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Should Democrats put the Bain issue on the back burner for a bit? (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2012 OP
Thye are the same issue, IMO cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #1
not really. kentuck Jul 2012 #2
they are, rMoney is claiming no opertional ties to Bain after 99..tax returns would prove this uponit7771 Jul 2012 #7
They are the same issue. The Bain thing is just Solomon Jul 2012 #12
Tax returns would say, for instance, how much he cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #25
It is the tax returns from when he was at Bain that are the ones in question... Spazito Jul 2012 #3
The tax info could shed some light on the Bain issue. Tennessee Gal Jul 2012 #4
But strategically, wouldn't it be better for Democrats to have it as two issues? kentuck Jul 2012 #9
Hell, no. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #5
Rmoney is NOT going Politicalboi Jul 2012 #6
Hell no. His business experience is what he claims to run on ... so let's make him run on it. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #8
Yes, we should start second guessing the Obama campaign NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #10
I sort of look at you guys as one of the best focus groups out there... kentuck Jul 2012 #13
Its an anonymous website NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #20
I don't think anyone in the campaign... kentuck Jul 2012 #30
The Bain thing is working.. DCBob Jul 2012 #11
Absolutely, it is working... kentuck Jul 2012 #15
If we had the chance to do it all again..."could we...should we" KoKo Jul 2012 #33
It is the same thing. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #14
Attack All Along The Line, Sir, On Every Sector The Magistrate Jul 2012 #16
I think voters are easily confused... kentuck Jul 2012 #17
John Kerry in the Wet Suit...Kite Surfing...Hunting Gear....Hunting. KoKo Jul 2012 #35
Finally...we Dems will get this one Correctly! "Like Tick Loves Dog" KoKo Jul 2012 #36
I believe we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Live and Learn Jul 2012 #18
Bain, the tax returns, the overseas accounts (and that paperwork in the Caymans etc) panader0 Jul 2012 #19
Nope. Don't back off. DO NOT. calimary Jul 2012 #21
I see them as combined rufus dog Jul 2012 #22
And just how much of that $1.5 billion did he keep for his services? kentuck Jul 2012 #41
Use them both at the same time, for once why don't WE build the national rhetoric. Kurska Jul 2012 #23
no. it's working. n/t cali Jul 2012 #24
No, I'd continue to hammer the everloving fuck out of him on both issues, "Chicago Style." Amerigo Vespucci Jul 2012 #26
Yes indeed.. Im starting to like this "Chicago Style" politics! DCBob Jul 2012 #28
You'll love this one, then... Amerigo Vespucci Jul 2012 #37
I saw part of that interview. DCBob Jul 2012 #39
It's a worthwhile question BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #27
Haven't we asked repeatedly for his tax returns and info on his Bermuda mail drops? Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2012 #29
NO; THEY CAN MULTI-TASK Skittles Jul 2012 #31
Nope -- crank 'er up to a rolling boil Blue Owl Jul 2012 #32
NO. Rosco T. Jul 2012 #34
BOTH - The Obama team is quite capable of multi-tasking. democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #38
No. When your opponnent is on the run, keep chasing him. - n/t Jim__ Jul 2012 #40
Oh, yeah, that's a GREAT strategy! Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #42
I not only believe it I expected it NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #44
Some people have no clue as to political strategy. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #45
I agree with every single word of that NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #46
Bravo! I'm not a big fan of boxing (Joyce Carol Oates' coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #47
I really don't know. I imagine they have a strategy. But like another poster said, they're related. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #43

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
2. not really.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jul 2012

although connected, one is about out-sourcing jobs and one is about hiding your money in foreign accounts and not paying taxes on it.

Solomon

(12,311 posts)
12. They are the same issue. The Bain thing is just
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jul 2012

getting started. Now we get to learn just what kind of things Romney's been investing in. It's only going to get better.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
25. Tax returns would say, for instance, how much he
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:31 PM
Jul 2012

was paid 2000-2002 for "not running Bain"—all we know know is it was at least $100K but was it millions?

And tax returns would show what Bain subsidiary companies he got money from for serving on their boards of directors, while he was "not involved in any way."

So the tax returns are the real next step in the Bain story, as well as having other points of interest.

Spazito

(50,380 posts)
3. It is the tax returns from when he was at Bain that are the ones in question...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:11 PM
Jul 2012

which brings in the shipping of American jobs to India and China, the use of offshore tax havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes, etc.

It is all one very, very pretty package, pretty for the Dems that is.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
9. But strategically, wouldn't it be better for Democrats to have it as two issues?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jul 2012

So there could be a two-pronged attack?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
6. Rmoney is NOT going
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:15 PM
Jul 2012

To give us shit. His people will let this slide, and he will lie his way around it, even in the debates.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
10. Yes, we should start second guessing the Obama campaign
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:19 PM
Jul 2012

Don't you understand all this stuff has been in front of focus groups for over a year?

You think the President is going to get better advice from people on an anonymous website full of who knows what?

Come on kentuck. I know you are smarter than this.

Geebiz.

Don

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
13. I sort of look at you guys as one of the best focus groups out there...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:22 PM
Jul 2012

We shouldn't minimize the intelligence of DUers when it comes to political strategy.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
30. I don't think anyone in the campaign...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:48 PM
Jul 2012

has been working on either of these issues, for the last year. I think they are as new to it as the rest of us are. Just my opinion. It's good to think they are so competent, I guess?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
11. The Bain thing is working..
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jul 2012

its huge because it pretty much takes his best argument off the table. Everytime he mentions he has experience running a company voters will think about Bain and whether he lied or not.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
33. If we had the chance to do it all again..."could we...should we"
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:03 PM
Jul 2012

Memories...Like the Dem Corners of My Mind....Mistie Water Colored Memories.......of Vietnam...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n-KPGh3wysw

The Magistrate

(95,248 posts)
16. Attack All Along The Line, Sir, On Every Sector
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jul 2012

Do not let up anywhere....

"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
17. I think voters are easily confused...
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jul 2012

and if we keep the issues separate, the Repubs have a more difficult time obfuscating. Silly me.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
35. John Kerry in the Wet Suit...Kite Surfing...Hunting Gear....Hunting.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:05 PM
Jul 2012

Whatever...."floats our Democratic boat."

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
36. Finally...we Dems will get this one Correctly! "Like Tick Loves Dog"
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:07 PM
Jul 2012

Absolutely.

Fight back...leave no prisoners.

Yep...we've been saying this for awhile.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
19. Bain, the tax returns, the overseas accounts (and that paperwork in the Caymans etc)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:27 PM
Jul 2012

Rmoney's residence issues prior to becoming Guv, gee, there's a smorgasbord of goodies to chose from, an all you can stomach plate full of goodies to choose from. All of these issues are interrelated, and won't go away.

calimary

(81,335 posts)
21. Nope. Don't back off. DO NOT.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:27 PM
Jul 2012

DO NOT LET UP. Do NOT give the opponent time to catch his breath. He can rebound at you with renewed strength. Keep punching, pounding, jabbing. Keep him busy - like they used to teach in my sparring class. Keep him off-balance. Keep attacking! Don't let him recover.

And there's no reason why we can't keep coming at him on Bain AND ALSO calling for him to release his tax returns. "What is he hiding?" BOTH. More than just those two lines of attack, too, for that matter. Keep hitting at him. Break him down. Sometimes it takes a lot of meat tenderizer on a tough piece of meat. Soften him up so he's such badly-damaged goods that NO amount of voter suppression will help him.

No mercy! PARTICULARLY since the bad guys are expecting just that, because Dems always cave. Why do you think they're demanding an apology? 'Cause we've backed off before. HUGE MISTAKE.

Besides, please consider: Would he let up on our guy?

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
22. I see them as combined
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:28 PM
Jul 2012

now switching to the Federal Bailout of the SLC Olympics, that might be fun

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
23. Use them both at the same time, for once why don't WE build the national rhetoric.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:29 PM
Jul 2012

Make this campaign about Mitt Romney being untrustworthy and slimey.

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
26. No, I'd continue to hammer the everloving fuck out of him on both issues, "Chicago Style."
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:32 PM
Jul 2012
http://nation.foxnews.com/karl-rove/2012/07/15/karl-rove-obama-s-attacks-romney-are-gutter-politics-worst-chicago-sort

Karl Rove: Obama’s Attacks On Romney Are ‘Gutter Politics Of The Worst Chicago Sort’



Republican strategist Karl Rove called President Obama’s recent attacks on GOP candidate Mitt Romney “gutter politics of the worst Chicago sort” and said the campaign is making a big mistake.

“If the president continues to make this charge — this outrageous charge — that his campaign had that Romney is guilty of felonious activity [and] committed a felony, that’s a big mistake,” said Rove on Fox News Sunday.

“Remember who’s up for grabs in this election: independent voters. They were drawn to Obama in 2008 because he was going to change politics and raise and elevate the political discourse. This is gutter politics of the worst Chicago sort.”

Romney on Friday called for an apology from Obama after a suggestion from the president’s deputy campaign manager that Romney might have committed a felony by misrepresenting his tenure at Bain to the Securities and Exchange Commission.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
39. I saw part of that interview.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:26 PM
Jul 2012

Rahm was great.. but I dont think he should start doing the dead fish thing again. That's a bit too much "Chicago Style".

BeyondGeography

(39,376 posts)
27. It's a worthwhile question
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:35 PM
Jul 2012

But what it really shows is that there are multiple ways to drive this guy's numbers down right now. Good times.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
29. Haven't we asked repeatedly for his tax returns and info on his Bermuda mail drops?
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:41 PM
Jul 2012

The MSM are protecting him. We need to demand to know what he is hiding.

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
34. NO.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:04 PM
Jul 2012

HELL. NO.

let it simmer a bit.. then in about 2 weeks turn up the heat some more...
then let it simmer a bit more.. then when their convention hits.. ROAST HIS ASS.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
42. Oh, yeah, that's a GREAT strategy!
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:10 PM
Jul 2012

Just when you have your opponent on the ropes, knees buckling, his breath coming in ragged gasps, barely able to cover up against the onslaught of body blows followed by one head shot after another, walk away and let him catch his breath.


I can't believe all of the posters here who want Obama to let up on poor, poor Mitt.


Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
45. Some people have no clue as to political strategy.
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 11:52 AM
Jul 2012

When you have others reacting to events, they no longer control them, they are just a respondent to someone else's narrative.

When your opponent is focused on the full-on frontal assault, have your surrogates attack with a completely different issue from the flank.

Never let the other guy get his feet back underneath him.

Never explain, move forward to the next hammer blow.

DO NOT LET UP FOR ANY REASON.




 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
47. Bravo! I'm not a big fan of boxing (Joyce Carol Oates'
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jul 2012

essay notwithstanding), but I think the appropirate metaphor here is "on the ropes".

Bam! Pow! KA-POW!

Idea is to score a TKO before the Convention. I actually prefer that Mitt remain the Repig nominee to help Dems out with down-ballot races by suppressing Repig turnout.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
43. I really don't know. I imagine they have a strategy. But like another poster said, they're related.
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:12 PM
Jul 2012

The income taxes/financials and the Bain non-experience go toward showing his bogus "business experience" that supposedly indicates he's a job creator and will be great for the economy. As well as his character and honesty, and patriotism.

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