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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNorth Carolina pastor to Joel Osteen: "You've had the week that was coming long before the rain"
John Pavlovitz, head of North Raleigh Community Church in North Carolina, said the prosperity gospel minister had discredited his faith by tweeting out banal platitudes as locals mosques and furniture stores offered shelter from the hurricane that flooded Houston.
Youve experienced the wrath of millions of people who watched the week unfold and determined they were witnessing in you and your megachurchs response to the hurricaneeverything they believe is wrong about organized Christianity, Pavlovitz said, its self-serving greed, its callousness, its tone-deafness in the face of a hurting multitude, its lack of something that looks like Jesus.
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Dont wait for an invitation, you dont wait to be shamed by strangers, and you dont make excuses, he said.
I imagine you feel like this has been a rough week, Pavlovitz wrote. It hasnt. Youve had the week you probably should have had, all this considered. Youve had the week that was coming long before rain ever started falling in Houston.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/everything-wrong-about-christianity-fellow-pastor-shames-joel-osteen-for-his-self-serving-greed/
NCjack
(10,279 posts)God is punishing USA because:
1. Joel did not rake in more money, and he kept too much for himself.
or,
2. President Trump is an unrepentant whoremonger, and the religious leaders condone it.
Maybe we will get our answer within several weeks. Hurricane Irma is moving west, and it looks good for a turn north and a sweep up the east coast.
So, I'm going out on a limb and saying that the answer is #2. I think that God loves Joel more than Donald.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)The delusional suckers are a easy mark. Its the second oldest profession after prostitution. Not really a hell of a lot of difference between the two.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)and is at least as prevalent.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)as "Religion is the Modus Operandi that for greed, not the viverse"
makes no sense to me... Seriously.
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)up moisture from the excessively warm water as it crossed the Carribean and Gulf of Mexico. Then dumped it in Texas when it made landfall.
Just a theory, of course.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)President Trump is an unrepentant whoremonger, and the religious leaders condone it.
Really --that's the best hypothesis.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)There are no indications of him palling around with Putin and fornicating with Russian whores.
VMA131Marine
(4,139 posts)Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Had it hit DC, or even Miami or NYC, I would be more inclined to believe in God striking at Trump.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)delivers some hurt to DC, NJ, and NY. Then I believe that the cause is Trump's unrepentant whoremongering is condoned by our religious leaders.
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)from taxes
The Polack MSgt
(13,189 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)Nicely done!
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)And he has lots of other atheist/agnostic followers.
EarnestPutz
(2,120 posts)...if he has atheists and agnostics in his flock.
He must really reach out and touch hearts with
a message if the non-believers are buying in.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)dalton99a
(81,515 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,823 posts)Shouldn't be too long until Pat Robertson blames this disaster as God's punishment for rampant homosexuality in Texas?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)KellyAnn Conway blamed it all on lesbians.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Or am I just going crazy?
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)KelleyKramer
(8,969 posts)Asking for 5 grand to have your prayers answered??
If that's a real tweet, this guy is despicable
Wow
Permanut
(5,610 posts)For Miles Archer and Pastor John Pavlovitz.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He's now opened his church up, and will no doubt use it to ask for donations so he can help the victims even more. And stupid people will give...to HIM.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)"you will know them by the fruit that they bear"
Well, i have been inspecting Joel's "fruit" for years and
its rotten to the core!
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)I suppose they will have share in in "Evil",,,,,,,,
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Link to tweet
First you have to buy his good graces, of course. If you aren't fully blessed yet, you haven't paid in enough yet, don't you know.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)are what really get in ur pocketbook!
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)christian con artists fleecing their flock. Think Jim Bakker, Paula White, and Pat Robertson just for starters.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)a big list, see [link:http://so4j.com/false-teachers#list-of-false-teachers|]
Kittycow
(2,396 posts)I first ran across him and his slimy little ass partner about five years ago. He makes my head explode!
He's one of the worst scumbags that I've ever seen! I listened to a few of his old shows and he's just a greedy fear monger. I know there must be gullible elderly emptying their pockets to him. I just got the feeling that they're his target audience.
I saw his greasy head just yesterday when I was channel surfing and it looked like it was just the same old taped show. I sooo hope that he reaps his just rewards!
Doc_Technical
(3,526 posts)because no one asked him to do so.
When the Good Samaritan came upon a man who had been
beaten and robbed, he did not wait for someone to ask him
to help this poor man, he took it upon himself to do the
right thing as a proper Christian would.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)if it were updated for today, the Good Samaritan would be a Trump supporter coming upon a hijab-wearing woman by the side of the road.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)catrose
(5,068 posts)The Samaritan would be wearing a hijab or sporting a fro, and the Trump supporter would be on the ground or one of those who passed by.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)This "prosperity gospel" crap has been going on way too long with way too much success. All about money b/s.
It's time for Christianity to be returned and retaken for the values that it is supposed to have. Compassion, aid, love, strength, inclusiveness, etc.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)about 15 years ago because I find Christians to be hateful, mean spirited and thuggish. I agree with you nothing has done more to destroy Christianity as a faith tradition than the prosperity gospel.
My husband and I read the entire Bible every year, about 4 chapters each day. The stories still resonate today. And of course I watch Greenleaf on OWN which is produced by a pastor. They always include scriptural references which I look up and discuss with my husband.
I love the Lord and the Word but generally speaking Christians just turn my stomach.
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)n/t
Skittles
(153,169 posts)"I LOVE JESUS; HIS FAN BASE, NOT SO MUCH"
TexasBushwhacker
(20,196 posts)While they fleece their parishioners.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)Megachurches especially suck a lot of needed funds out of charities, community projects and schools.
Country churches in the 50s and 60s where I was raised were all very frugal, preachers not paid much, and revivals were held in big tents. A lot of baptisms were held in creeks. Fancy stuff in churches was looked down on, as were fancy people.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)just another business, only the hypocrisy was a hundred times worse. I think the Native Americans got it right. The trees are my temples and the brooks are the whispers of sacredness.
martigras
(151 posts)Why will people give money to a "church" run by such an obvious phony who lives in a 10 million dollar mansion and has a private jet, but they won't give to the poor or the disabled. Something serious wrong with their thinking.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)JI7
(89,251 posts)but the thing about them is i usually don't know they are religious at first. i first just find out they are good people by what they do and later on i might find out they are religious.
the good ones almost never make a big deal of it.
the ones who are the most open and loudest about how religious they are are also usually shitty people.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men....
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)Looks like bad acting to me.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)I'm not really religiously inclined but the "good book" does warn about these phony money grubbers trying the fleece the flock. Sadly he's not the first and won't be the last to use faith to turn a quick buck.