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PCIntern

(25,556 posts)
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 07:25 PM Sep 2017

Quite the realization today:

I have been practicing dentistry in Center City Philadelphia for nearly forty years. During that time I have been an outspoken Democrat and activist here and am not afraid to make my opinions and political preference known within an appropriate context. during this time I have engaged literally thousands of people of all political stripes although since I have an insurance-based workingman's practice, my patient load tends to be some version of Democratic/liberal/lefty-pro-environment-intellectual-granniesforpeace base so I am generally reasonably safe in doing so.

For all that my practice has had to endure under Reagan, Two Bushes, Two wars in Iraq, one in Afghanistan, the rise of RW Talk Radio, the Recount in 2000, the response to the terror of 9/11, I have never seen or heard anything like what people say to me routinely about this malignant narcissist who presently inhabits what he calls the Dump. I can't even write what many of them say because it frankly would be considered at the very least bad taste and at the worst, worthy of a visitation by the Secret Service. And it is continuous and unceasing in its vitriol. when they ask me what I think I tell them that including Charlie Manson, he is the sickest individual I've ever seen in the Public Sphere and if he were in my practice encompassing about seventeen thousand individuals, he would be in the bottom five in regards to his mental health. That he is disturbed on so many axes that he stands on his own in terms of severity and ability to destroy those around him and those who are subject to his rule, that is about three hundred million people.

I also say that I do believe that the powers-that-be are not going to allow him to hijack and destroy democracy in a fit of ignorance and illness and I then say that there are two phrases which exit my mouth I never thought I would utter: first, that I'm relying upon the military to control any real physical dangers to the nations of the world, including ours, and second that I would trade him in an instant for Bush/Cheney. I say the latter with some humor of course. My father of blessed memory once told me that the distinction between the United States and almost any other country is that when someone went to sleep they knew for certain that they would awaken in the same country in which they'd fallen asleep. That my dear friends, is no longer true.

I wish us all the luck in the world: we really need it this time.

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Quite the realization today: (Original Post) PCIntern Sep 2017 OP
Nicely done... Eyeball_Kid Sep 2017 #1
Double thanks...frigging autocorrect!!! LOL!!! nt PCIntern Sep 2017 #2
HAH! Autocorrect - the bugaboo of literate people. George II Sep 2017 #16
Bush/Cheney Martin Eden Sep 2017 #3
There's no question that you are entirely correct. PCIntern Sep 2017 #4
Maybe, Just Maybe..Mueller will get them both., and... Stuart G Sep 2017 #5
Barbie doll action figure Mike Pence wasn't a big hit in Indiana and he won't be in DC, once voters pnwmom Sep 2017 #12
I hope you're right. Martin Eden Sep 2017 #15
Very very important point eom MarcA Sep 2017 #17
Welcome to DU, MarcA! calimary Sep 2017 #38
Exactly why the mid-term elections are so important. progressoid Sep 2017 #20
American Taliban is an excellent title for the religious fundamentalist horde. ban1941 Sep 2017 #13
Welcome to , ban1941! calimary Sep 2017 #37
Oh man, NEVER did I think I'd revile any so-called president more than I did bush/cheney. calimary Sep 2017 #36
I wrote a poem to GW Bush when he left office Martin Eden Sep 2017 #39
good poem NJCher Sep 2017 #40
It felt good but did not relieve the bitterness Martin Eden Sep 2017 #41
Totally get that, my friend. calimary Sep 2017 #43
I agree with you. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #42
I've always admired your professional dedication lunatica Sep 2017 #6
Thank you... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2017 #7
Wonderful to hear from you PC, beautifully stated..n/t monmouth4 Sep 2017 #8
This: Amaryllis Sep 2017 #9
Release of nuclear forces is governed by the two-man rule disalitervisum Sep 2017 #22
Which means only that the second (military) man authenticates the order. Nothing to do with blocking WinkyDink Sep 2017 #31
I wish I had your faith in "the powers-that-be." NT enough Sep 2017 #10
Me, too Scarsdale Sep 2017 #23
Enough digits to hold a pen, right? stopwastingmymoney Sep 2017 #44
Thank you PC. zentrum Sep 2017 #11
Well written! Thank you for PatrickforO Sep 2017 #14
Well said, thanks. Yes, we do need all the luck in the world, but I believe we'll get through this.. George II Sep 2017 #18
When I visited my dentist in July I had a political discussion with the BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #19
Never argue with the person Freddie Sep 2017 #28
If this douchebag named Trump hasn't already destroyed America, he is well on his way world wide wally Sep 2017 #21
Nah.. whathehell Sep 2017 #24
K&R... spanone Sep 2017 #25
Its come down to relying on the armed forces to save us and that is scary indeed. BSdetect Sep 2017 #26
Thank you, PCIntern. gademocrat7 Sep 2017 #27
The Con needs to go, but if they take down the Con & leave the rest of the toxic GOP in place, CrispyQ Sep 2017 #29
From my knowledge of the military azureblue Sep 2017 #30
We may have already lost our democracy jimlup Sep 2017 #32
Interesting because I shared with a friend that while I would hate for it to happen Dan Sep 2017 #33
I have seen nary a bunper sticker nor a MAGA hat here in NM Warpy Sep 2017 #34
Right you are Warpy. Nt PCIntern Sep 2017 #35

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
3. Bush/Cheney
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 07:54 PM
Sep 2017

The malignant narcissist in chief has not yet done anything as damaging as Bush/Cheney, but he is certainly capable of much worse. For the safety of our country and the world he needs to be constrained or removed from office.

Having said that, I dread Mike Pence becoming president. Trump is unable to get much of anything done because he is an immature sociopath and his own worst enemy, but Pence is a skilled politician in addition to being a charter member of the American Taliban.

I will absolutely vomit when he is heralded as a return to sanity in the wake of Trump as he looks so presidential making headway with the hard right religious fundamentalist agenda.

PCIntern

(25,556 posts)
4. There's no question that you are entirely correct.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 07:57 PM
Sep 2017

The only good news is that Pence couldn't even get re-elected in Indiana he's so repulsive.

But we can never doubt the strength of the GOP and its willingness to win at any cost.

Stuart G

(38,434 posts)
5. Maybe, Just Maybe..Mueller will get them both., and...
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 07:57 PM
Sep 2017

Thank You for sharing your experiences.....You have a very special perspective on life...

May we all make it through., somehow.... ..

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
12. Barbie doll action figure Mike Pence wasn't a big hit in Indiana and he won't be in DC, once voters
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:53 PM
Sep 2017

get used over the shock of him replacing DT.

calimary

(81,314 posts)
38. Welcome to DU, MarcA!
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 07:09 PM
Sep 2017

No kidding it's a very very important point!

That's why it's exceptionally important for EVERYONE to get off their duffs and VOTE IN THE MIDTERMS! If we can take one of those two chambers back - the Senate or the House, we can pretty much stop anything a so-called pResident* Pence might try. It is URGENT that we stop him from ANY achievements, and muddy up his name and reputation so he's radioactive by the time he tries to run for a term of his own.

ban1941

(9 posts)
13. American Taliban is an excellent title for the religious fundamentalist horde.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 09:14 PM
Sep 2017

They do not want the separation of church and state. They want to be the state.

calimary

(81,314 posts)
37. Welcome to , ban1941!
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 06:31 PM
Sep 2017

I think I fear a creeping theocracy more than just about anything else, besides a hoard of neo-Nazis, that is.

I think we all understand, too, that this is what we WILL start seeing if Mike Pence somehow succeeds Agent Orange.

calimary

(81,314 posts)
36. Oh man, NEVER did I think I'd revile any so-called president more than I did bush/cheney.
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 06:29 PM
Sep 2017

Now, I, too, would trade this jerk and his albino Christofascist sidekick for bush/cheney ANY day.

Never thought I'd say, or believe such a thing.

Good OP, PCIntern.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
39. I wrote a poem to GW Bush when he left office
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 07:26 PM
Sep 2017

What I'd like to say to his face:


I'd tell you to go fuck yourself
But that is much too kind
Because if you could perform that feat
You'd take pleasure in your behind

I'd like to say eat shit and die
But you deserve much more
You should suffer all the grief and pain
Of your misbegotten war

Though I can never make you think
Or feel, or understand
I'll take solace when you hear your name
Cursed throughout the land

From inside a lonely prison cell
Dark and bare and cold
Where every day you pay for your crimes
Until you're sick, heartbroken, and old

Then when you finally leave the earth
You fucked over oh so well
If there is a God and afterlife
You're going straight to hell

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
41. It felt good but did not relieve the bitterness
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 10:20 PM
Sep 2017

I dread the poem I may have to write to the malignant narcissist who currently occupies that office.

calimary

(81,314 posts)
43. Totally get that, my friend.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 12:44 AM
Sep 2017

Last edited Thu Sep 7, 2017, 11:15 AM - Edit history (1)

Nevertheless, it's a pretty doggone good poem! Kind of an evergreen at this point. Applies to more so-called "pResidents" than just bush/cheney.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
42. I agree with you.
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 10:31 PM
Sep 2017

Trump is vulgar and awful but thankfully he has not been very effective. I honestly worry about Pence becoming president since he and the Congressional GOP would get along very well and the media would likely back off from Pence since he seems reasonable and sane compared to Trump.

I actually think the Trump circus works to our advantage because his vileness is more obvious than say somebody like George W. Bush who supported terrible policies but came off as likeable and personable to many people.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
7. Thank you...
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:24 PM
Sep 2017

for sharing your very refreshing experiences in your practice. For OUR mental health, we need more stories like yours as a counter-balance to constant exposure in our public media to this evil, hard right-wing crew.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
9. This:
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:35 PM
Sep 2017

"I then say that there are two phrases which exit my mouth I never thought I would utter: first, that I'm relying upon the military to control any real physical dangers to the nations of the world, including ours..."
I posted a thread a few days ago to the effect that I never, ever thought I might be thinking in terms of the military taking control to be a potentially good thing...but I truly do hope they have taken some measures to prevent him from unleashing nuclear weapons in a fit of ...whatever. I trust Mattis and the joint chiefs vastly more than him. He who shall not be named.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
31. Which means only that the second (military) man authenticates the order. Nothing to do with blocking
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 11:34 AM
Sep 2017

it.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
23. Me, too
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 07:02 AM
Sep 2017

It was obvious right from the start what a disaster tRump would be, yet the gop propped him up. They seem to WANT incompetant people in the WH. Any nutjob with (R) after their name is A-O-K with them. So, who will be next Cruz, Issa, Gowdy, Screwy Louie Gohmert??

stopwastingmymoney

(2,042 posts)
44. Enough digits to hold a pen, right?
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:10 PM
Sep 2017

With the assumption being that they would be able to deliver legislation for him to sign.

I don't see their problem there being much different when Pence holds the pen.

Let's all hope anyway

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
14. Well written! Thank you for
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 09:15 PM
Sep 2017

an excellent post.

Let's hope Trump pulls down the whole sick radical libertarian Koch-funded bunch - destroys them as a party.

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. Well said, thanks. Yes, we do need all the luck in the world, but I believe we'll get through this..
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 10:23 PM
Sep 2017

Two points - your father's observation has been true for the last 100 years or so, but not so in 1860. That's not a slight to your father, of course.

Second, anecdotally, the father of my best friend of years ago was the only Black dentist in Mobile Alabama back in the 1950s through the 1980s. Considering the political/racial climate during those years, he had no worries about the "political stripe" of his patients!

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
19. When I visited my dentist in July I had a political discussion with the
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 10:32 PM
Sep 2017

hygienist since I was wearing my 45 "lock him up" earrings and she asked about them. I told her about my efforts to protect the ACA and the Resistance activities I was involved with. She said, "Oh, I do not follow that stuff much. I heard something about health insurance though". She also said she "heard something about Russia". It is a good thing I couldn't speak too much because I wanted to tell her that it must be lovely being able to live under a rock and be willfully ignorant.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
28. Never argue with the person
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 09:26 AM
Sep 2017

Who has sharp tools in your mouth.
My hairdresser is a virulent "pro-lifer" and voted Trump for that reason. We have a truce to not talk politics, especially as she has a scissors and chemicals (color) in my hair.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
29. The Con needs to go, but if they take down the Con & leave the rest of the toxic GOP in place,
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 10:05 AM
Sep 2017

we're still fucked. I hope Mueller has bigger plans & goes for the entire upper echelon of the party, or we'll be right back here again, one day. Voting irregularities are not going to get any better in the next 2-4 years. Personally, I don't know if the dems will ever have any influence again in my lifetime. My friends and family who were not politically active before the Con, were active for a short period after his inauguration, but now, they are inactive again. You are right that we're going to need all the luck in the world.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
30. From my knowledge of the military
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 11:29 AM
Sep 2017

they take very seriously their pledge to uphold the Constitution. Not the President. Among my military friends back in the Bush days, there was serious gnashing of teeth over going to invade a country that posed no threat to the US, except for owning "our" oil...

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
32. We may have already lost our democracy
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 01:49 PM
Sep 2017

I have been thinking about this seriously myself for the last several months. The more I reflect on it, the more I am convinced that democracy has slipped through our fingers. We are now under some kind of rude and bizarre plutocracy.

We, as human beings seeking real democracy, may eventually prevail. However, from where I sit now, it seems unlikely. I'll turn 60 years in three months, and I have never felt as hopeless as I feel now.

Dan

(3,569 posts)
33. Interesting because I shared with a friend that while I would hate for it to happen
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 01:52 PM
Sep 2017

that a military coup is an outside possibility as the GOP controlled Congress continues to fail to do their job.

The military's primary job is to protect the nation and the Constitution - against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Warpy

(111,274 posts)
34. I have seen nary a bunper sticker nor a MAGA hat here in NM
Sat Sep 2, 2017, 05:21 PM
Sep 2017

where he's about as popular as the bubonic plague cases that crop up from time to time. I don't hear a lot of complaints when I'm out and about but I do notice a very angry silence wherever a business has a TV tuned to CNN (Pox not being terribly popular around here). You can see it in the faces and the glares at the TV if Dumpster Fire's face comes on.

I do live on the poorer side of town, but it's also the military side of town. It makes no difference if it's a soldier waiting for his car to be serviced or an ordinary civilian. The anger in the air is so thick you could cut it.

You're not seeing anything unusual. I think you have to go to Dixie and parts of the midwest to find any of them.

Remember, even Phoenix was a frost.

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