Lets win the House, either way.

Hillary next in line with 45 and Pence guaranteed to go down would make for an awesome 2019 as it would piss off everyone who needs a big F U.

their own ambitions on hold for Mrs Clinton's benefit.

Are you a man? Just asking.

Hillary Clinton for speaker? I think you are wrong. We'll see at the beginning of the next new Congress.

Outside of the Bernie wing of the party, there are plenty of Dems, especially women, who feel Hillary was cheated out of the presidency.

that really would be poetic justice!

An interesting scenario.

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Assuming that the Democrats pick up the 24 seats to take the majority in the House (not a given, but not impossible), and assuming that they pass impeachment resolutions with respect to Trump and Pence simultaneously (also not a given, and probably very unlikely), it still requires 67 votes in the Senate. If the Democrats hold all 25 Senate seats they have to defend (including two independents) and win every single Repub seat (9, including the Alabama special election later this year)--not going to happen, it would still take 10 repubs to vote to convict both.

So if people want to dream about President Pelosi, they can do so, but its just a dream -- and one that is divorced from reality to boot.

Republicans will hold the line at Pence, and if we win Congress in 2018 there will still be enough Republicans who will frame a two-fer impeachment as some sort of quasi coup

I wouldn't be so sure he's in the clear. It all depends on the case Mueller makes, and whether the Dems are in power then.

And I don't think we can win enough seats to have a straight Democratic vote for that.

That means there will be some Republicans we'd have to win over.

Trump's not a problem because most Republican senators likely secretly hate him and the amount of culpability on his part with Russia is going to be overwhelming by the time Mueller is done.

But Pence? I think we'd need to show more than just the relatively speaking minor roles in Trump's crimes to convince Republicans to cede the White House to us for the good of the country.

Pence will skate even though he shouldn't. It's okay because in the end we can still use it as ammunition against him in 2020.

so he resigned.

So Mueller could bring a conspiracy case against Pence, Steven Miller, and others, while naming DT as an unindicted co-conspirator.

Yes, DT could try to pardon Pence (it's not legally certain he could pardon a co-conspirator). But I doubt that the GOP would want to elevate Pence to the Presidency under those circumstances.

But as I said, it all depends on the strength of Mueller's case.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/can-a-vice-president-be-charged-with-a-crime-while-in-office



In two separate opinions from that era, the Attorney General’s office spelled out the argument that the President wouldn’t face criminal charges while in office, but he could face charges after leaving office. The President would need to be removed by Congress through the impeachment process or resign to lose that short-term immunity.

However, the Vice President wouldn’t have the same short-term immunity and could face criminal charges while performing his or her constitutional duties. In 2000, Randolph Moss from the Office of Legal Counsel in the Justice Department re-examined those two opinions and still found them to be valid based on “judicial precedents” and the interpretation of Founding-era documents.

it's not clear that Nancy Pelosi could win a state-wide election in California (she's never run for office outside of her San Francisco district).

to do with whether a prosecution or impeachment of DT/Pence would be valid or not.

of prosecution or impeachment. I only pointed out that having a president that has never won anything beyond local office is not a democratic outcome.

to her position in the House, just as every other House member. And the Speaker of the House is always in the Presidential line of succession, even though they are only elected by their House districts -- not a statewide election.

True, she "only" represents about 710,000. But that's more than Senators Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy represent. They share the representation of about 625,000 people.

Tommy Carcetti that in the event a double-impeachment happened AND Nancy Pelosi became president as a result, that a Republican argument of "coup" would be persuasive nationally.

The fact that Pelosi, a person in the legal line of succession, is "only" a member of the House has no bearing on the validity of DT/Pence's potential removal from office for cause.

and that wouldn't be a qualifier in this situation

If they get Trump, Pence will seem reasonable by comparison. While the GOPers might very well scuttle Trump, they would have a much harder time doing that to Pence, who served in Congress.

I have no doubt that the Jackhole radicals of the world would far prefer Trump or Pence. All that work to put a fascist in office, only to have a liberal woman become president. All their Tiki torches would go to waste.

Yes.

If I were her, I would choose Hillary, and then resign and go back to the House as soon as Hillary is sworn in.

Oh Happy Day.

President Pelosi would be awesome!

I would LOVE it if someone as deserving as Pelosi was our first female President.

If Trump is removed from office, Pence becomes President and chooses a VP. Then Pence is removed from office and his VP becomes President.