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Donkees

(31,445 posts)
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:53 PM Sep 2017

Book by Hillary Clinton's Pastor Will Be Pulled from Shelves Due to Plagiarism

SEPTEMBER 6, 2017 AT 12:39PM EDT

Excerpt:

A book by Hillary Clinton‘s spiritual adviser, the Rev. Bill Shillady, is being pulled from shelves less than a month after its release after the publisher found it contained extensive plagiarism.

Shillady has also pulled out of a scheduled public conversation with Clinton about her faith at Riverside Church in New York City on Thursday night. The event will still take place, with the Rev. Ginger Gaines-Cirelli, the pastor of Clinton’s church in Washington, D.C., the Foundry, moderating the conversation.

http://people.com/politics/book-hillary-clinton-pastor-pulled-plagiarism/

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Book by Hillary Clinton's Pastor Will Be Pulled from Shelves Due to Plagiarism (Original Post) Donkees Sep 2017 OP
OK. What are we to take from that? MineralMan Sep 2017 #1
Consider the source. bettyellen Sep 2017 #2
Well, I have asked the source to explain the reasons MineralMan Sep 2017 #5
I guess we take that Shillady plagiarized. Shame on him for his sins. Hortensis Sep 2017 #41
Never heard of him either. cwydro Sep 2017 #4
I can't see how it's relevant to anything, really. MineralMan Sep 2017 #8
My thoughts as well. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #26
I agree with you. cwydro Sep 2017 #27
If it's negative, and if it can be even remotely tied to Hillary Clinton, no matter how remotely.... George II Sep 2017 #36
Unless the book is about Hillary, not really of much interest. Coventina Sep 2017 #3
His event with Hillary at Riverside was scheduled for tomorrow in NYC. There was a question ... Donkees Sep 2017 #13
Oops, well, that's a bit embarrassing. Coventina Sep 2017 #14
Especially if there are more charity events he was scheduling with Hillary for his book tour ... Donkees Sep 2017 #21
Should Joe Biden's vice presidency be retroactively cancelled? BainsBane Sep 2017 #39
Which she no longer has to give BainsBane Sep 2017 #37
Well someone did say lapucelle Sep 2017 #65
She does so much for children. Thanks for highlighting. nt. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #16
In case you missed it, the event was streamed on the Riverside Church NYC facebook page Donkees Sep 2017 #70
There didn't seem to be a question about the event being cancelled.... George II Sep 2017 #38
This is the announcement that I first saw, George. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #50
The story you posted doesn't say anything about the event being cancelled. lapucelle Sep 2017 #63
So? lunamagica Sep 2017 #6
Lock her up, obviously. Scurrilous Sep 2017 #7
Say - People have asked you questions about your post. MineralMan Sep 2017 #9
I'm hearing crickets. cwydro Sep 2017 #28
Am I supposed to care? leftofcool Sep 2017 #10
Apparently so. Why is uncertain, though... MineralMan Sep 2017 #11
And? sheshe2 Sep 2017 #12
It's not Hillary's fault... lapucelle Sep 2017 #66
... sheshe2 Sep 2017 #67
Call Congress right now!!! mcar Sep 2017 #15
"Those are our words!!!!" Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #17
Posts like this are why Trump is in the White House. yardwork Sep 2017 #18
yeah if we don't mention it here nobody else will ever hear about it!! m-lekktor Sep 2017 #20
That's what Republicans do, of course. yardwork Sep 2017 #22
Let's pretend it matters because.... anything to smear Dems- right? bettyellen Sep 2017 #25
wow m-lekktor Sep 2017 #19
Wow what? lunamagica Sep 2017 #23
Just think BainsBane Sep 2017 #30
Yup! sheshe2 Sep 2017 #34
I mean, this is deserving of a lunamagica Sep 2017 #53
A 2016 post or is it 2008 post. rogue emissary Sep 2017 #24
LOL BainsBane Sep 2017 #29
Good grief NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #31
I love it BainsBane Sep 2017 #33
I gave the OP a rec too. It's too funny. JHan Sep 2017 #59
Not relevant Bettie Sep 2017 #32
This guy has been Executive Director of the United Methodist City Society in NYC... George II Sep 2017 #35
BTW, THIS Riverside Church? NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #40
... BainsBane Sep 2017 #42
This thread is all kinds of awesome BainsBane Sep 2017 #43
Oh dear. Run away, run away! yardwork Sep 2017 #45
Wow!!!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2017 #46
LOL, that is too funny. n/t FSogol Sep 2017 #48
Daaaaaaamn! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #49
wow lunamagica Sep 2017 #54
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol JHan Sep 2017 #57
! brer cat Sep 2017 #62
He has to feel awful sending that prayer to Hillary. In this case I really feel sorry for him Autumn Sep 2017 #44
Yes, especially because he has officiated at many of Hillary's family events, and 'life passages' Donkees Sep 2017 #47
He seems like a good man, as a rule when a minister "steps in it" I consider it karma. He seems to Autumn Sep 2017 #51
He sent a prayer that he didn't write lapucelle Sep 2017 #68
so should we infer that some will try to blame hillary for the behavior of her pastor? drray23 Sep 2017 #52
That was very unfair to both Rev. Wright and Obama. QC Sep 2017 #64
It seems see the Clinton opposition research effort is still operational. ucrdem Sep 2017 #55
Let's clear up a few things. The People article is not accurate... George II Sep 2017 #56
Hillary Clinton' cousins brothers best friends revmclaren Sep 2017 #58
Plagiarizing a certain best-seller is kind of what pastors are expected to do ucrdem Sep 2017 #60
Lol sheshe2 Sep 2017 #61
One of Hillar Clinton's doctors lapucelle Sep 2017 #69

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
1. OK. What are we to take from that?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:56 PM
Sep 2017

I never heard of the Rev. Shillady. Why would I be interested in his plagiarism? Why is this of interest at all, really? Do you have some sort of comment on why you thought to post it here in DU?

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
5. Well, I have asked the source to explain the reasons
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:59 PM
Sep 2017

he/she posted it here. We'll see what comes of that, eh?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. I guess we take that Shillady plagiarized. Shame on him for his sins.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:43 PM
Sep 2017

And stupidity. What is with these people? Hillary could have counseled him to good effect, but he obviously didn't ask.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
4. Never heard of him either.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:59 PM
Sep 2017


Didn't know Hillary even "had a pastor" What does that mean? If you go to a church, somehow you're connected?

This sounds vaguely reminiscent of the Jeremiah Wright controversy....

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
8. I can't see how it's relevant to anything, really.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:00 PM
Sep 2017

Sounds like the good pastor can't write for himself, but how is that news, really. He's not prominent. He's not a politician. He's just not newsworthy, as far as I can tell.

I hope it wasn't some sort of lame attempt at guilt by association. That would be a really small thing to do, don't you think?

George II

(67,782 posts)
36. If it's negative, and if it can be even remotely tied to Hillary Clinton, no matter how remotely....
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:02 PM
Sep 2017

....and vague, it's "news" to some.

Coventina

(27,159 posts)
3. Unless the book is about Hillary, not really of much interest.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:59 PM
Sep 2017


Men of the cloth do bad things.

Their parishioners shouldn't factor into their punishment (unless it directly involves them).

Donkees

(31,445 posts)
13. His event with Hillary at Riverside was scheduled for tomorrow in NYC. There was a question ...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:39 PM
Sep 2017

of the event being cancelled, but since it was a benefit event for a children's camp, the event is going forward with a substitute minister tomorrow.

Clinton wrote the foreword for the book — Strong for a Moment Like This, a collection of devotionals that Shallidy had emailed the former Democratic nominee daily throughout her 2016 presidential campaign — and credited the United Methodist Church minister with helping her recover after her crushing loss to Donald Trump in November.

BainsBane

(53,041 posts)
39. Should Joe Biden's vice presidency be retroactively cancelled?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:12 PM
Sep 2017

for his plagiarism issue regarding Neil Kinnock?

I suspect that if you tune in to Fox, you can do better than this.

George II

(67,782 posts)
38. There didn't seem to be a question about the event being cancelled....
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:09 PM
Sep 2017

...where did you see that? Also no mention of the event having a substitute minister or Shallidy even being there. Where was that?

Here's the announcement:

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/an-evening-with-hillary-clinton-to-benefit-camp-olmsted-tickets-36121632776

DESCRIPTION

Please join us on Thursday, September 7th to hear from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as she discusses in person her faith and the recent election.

General Admission tickets are $75 and proceeds from this fundraiser will benefit Camp Olmsted.

Thursday, September 7, 2017 * 7:30 p.m. (Doors 5:30 p.m.) * The Riverside Church, New York City

“Camps are part of the fabric of our national life. They are often safe havens in the storms that blow across everyone's life and seem particularly difficult for children and teenagers, places where people can get back to basics and remember, or learn for the first time, what's really important. Our families today come in all sizes and shapes, but they all want the same thing: a good job, safety and security, the chance to build a better life for themselves and their kids. Camps are one of the essential building blocks for so many people.” -Hillary Clinton, during a speech to the American Camp Association, March 19, 2015

Camp Olmsted is located in Cornwall-on-Hudson, New York, and has been serving children from New York City’s neighborhoods for more than 110 years. Our program serves boys and girls between the ages of 6 and 14 and often provides their first outdoor camping experience. During our program campers enjoy swimming, hiking, sports, art, reading, and ropes challenge course activities. They also get to express themselves through performances and creative writing. These activities are designed to build their self-esteem and enhance their social skills. Our campers leave their time at Olmsted with new friends, new skills, and more confidence. Yes, twelve days can have an impact that lasts a lifetime!


lapucelle

(18,303 posts)
63. The story you posted doesn't say anything about the event being cancelled.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:45 PM
Sep 2017

Where did you see that story?

yardwork

(61,690 posts)
22. That's what Republicans do, of course.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:03 PM
Sep 2017

Republicans always run around pointing out guilt by association on other Republicans. They never stop pointing out all the weaknesses and problems and issues - true or not - among their fellow Republicans. "If we don't talk about it all the time everybody else will anyway" is the Republican mantra when it comes to discussing weaknesses and failures of their fellow Republicans. They also believe strongly in amplifying rumors and innuendo as long as it reflects badly on their own party.

Wait.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
25. Let's pretend it matters because.... anything to smear Dems- right?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:33 PM
Sep 2017

Give me a ducking break. His is transparent AF Dem bashing through association. We both know it.

BainsBane

(53,041 posts)
30. Just think
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:11 PM
Sep 2017

Scowering the web for something on Hillary, and this is the best they could come up with. It's hysterical.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
31. Good grief
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:13 PM
Sep 2017

This is bizarre. The OP, I mean, not the non-story of a cleric who did a stupid thing. Anything to tarnish Hillary Clinton, obviously. Fell flat, though. With a thud.

BainsBane

(53,041 posts)
33. I love it
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:19 PM
Sep 2017

It says so much. It shows the compulsion to reach for anything to try to discredit Hillary, and it shows how little there is. Imagine. For years the Kremlin, Rove, the GOP, Bannon, Trump, the gun lobby, the health insurance industry, and an endless array of organizations have targeted Hillary Clinton, and this is what the OP was able to come up with.

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. This guy has been Executive Director of the United Methodist City Society in NYC...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 05:59 PM
Sep 2017

....for nine years, he's been a minister for 36 years, and I'm sure he's come across tens of thousands of people during that time.

Why is he characterized as "Hillary Clinton's pastor"? Why not any of those tens of thousands' "pastor"? Seems questionably unfair.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
44. He has to feel awful sending that prayer to Hillary. In this case I really feel sorry for him
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:55 PM
Sep 2017

It was a beautiful heart felt prayer and I can't help but feel and would hope that any Christian would share those feelings.

Donkees

(31,445 posts)
47. Yes, especially because he has officiated at many of Hillary's family events, and 'life passages'
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 07:19 PM
Sep 2017

Even though the publisher withdrew the book yesterday, the minister mentioned that future editions would credit the writings of the other pastor. So the book isn't lost.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
51. He seems like a good man, as a rule when a minister "steps in it" I consider it karma. He seems to
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 07:32 PM
Sep 2017

really feel bad that he sent it to Hillary.

lapucelle

(18,303 posts)
68. He sent a prayer that he didn't write
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 09:50 PM
Sep 2017

to Hillary? This type of behavior by pastors must be stopped stat!

The problem is widespread. My own pastor is guilty of praying without attribution. Last Sunday he talked about "loving your neighbor as yourself", and I thought it was an amazing sentiment.

Imagine my shock when I later learned that my pastor didn't write those words. It's a direct quote taken out of some book that he had read. And he didn't tell us!

drray23

(7,637 posts)
52. so should we infer that some will try to blame hillary for the behavior of her pastor?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 07:32 PM
Sep 2017

After all, they tried to blame President Obama for his pastor's behavior.

George II

(67,782 posts)
56. Let's clear up a few things. The People article is not accurate...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 07:53 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Wed Sep 6, 2017, 08:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Rev. Bill Shillady is not Hillary Clinton's "pastor". Rev. Bill Shillady has not been a pastor at any church since 2008, six years after they met. Since that time Rev. Bill Shillady has been Executive Director of United Methodist City Society in New York City.

Riverside Church is not Hillary Clinton's church, she's just appearing there to benefit a camp in upstate NY (and she's not making a penny for her appearance) Indeed, Riverside Church is not a Methodist Church, and Hillary Clinton has been a Methodist her entire life.

Rev. Bill Shillady is Hillary Clinton's spiritual advisor. He has presided over a few (not many) Clinton family ceremonies over the years - Chelsea's wedding, Hillary's mother's memorial service, and blessed Hillary's grandchildren.

revmclaren

(2,528 posts)
58. Hillary Clinton' cousins brothers best friends
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 08:05 PM
Sep 2017

Auto mechanics distant relatives dog walker pulled the do not remove under penalty of law tag off her Pillow... Call CNN RIGHT NOW!!!!!

How F&$king pathetic.



ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
60. Plagiarizing a certain best-seller is kind of what pastors are expected to do
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 08:12 PM
Sep 2017

if you want to call it that. But seriously, who would?

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