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VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 10:48 AM Sep 2017

If Your Wife is Indicted for Fraud, Should You Resign?

If your wife is indicted for fraud, and you are under investigation, should you resign your position in government to avoid any appearance of impropriety? Should you do it to avoid embroiling your Party in needless controversy?




JERUSALEM — Sara Netanyahu, the wife of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, is likely to be indicted on fraud-related charges in a case that peers into spending on catered meals and lifestyle in the official residence, a statement by Israel’s attorney general said Friday.

The probe — called the “meal booking affair” — alleges that the prime minister’s wife and the head of the operational resources unit in the official residence falsified documents so that food from outside companies and private chefs could be used, even though there was a full-time chef.

The statement by the attorney general, Avichai Mendelblit, said that Netanyahu is suspected of diverting some $102,000 in public funds for this use.

Netanyahu was informed that she would be able to make final arguments in the case before the state attorney issues a possible indictment, which could lead to a trial. No date has been set for such a hearing, however.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israels-meal-scandal-moves-closer-toward-indictment-of-netanyahus-wife/2017/09/08/ac4ad920-9487-11e7-8754-d478688d23b4_story.html?utm_term=.aaf01b252dfb




Mr Netanyahu himself is currently under investigation in four different cases related to bribery, fraud and breach of trust.

It is alleged that he received lavish and “inappropriate” gifts from wealthy supporters, such as cigars and champagne, and offered commercial favours to Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper owner Arnon Mozes in return for positive coverage.

He has also been asked to testify in the corruption case against his personal lawyer, David Shimron, over defence contract deals with German shipmaker ThyssenKrupp to buy submarines for the Israeli navy, and has been accused of failing to disclose his ties to key actors in a merger deal involving state telecommunications company Bezeq.

Mr Netanyahu’s former chief of staff, Ari Harow, agreed to testify against his former employer last month, despite the fact he is a long time friend and loyal supporter of both Mr Netanyahu and his Likud party.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/sara-netanyahu-graft-charges-benjamin-wife-israel-prime-minister-corruption-a7935706.html
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If Your Wife is Indicted for Fraud, Should You Resign? (Original Post) VermontKevin Sep 2017 OP
Yes, this is definitely a sign of corruption. An actual, tangible sign. R B Garr Sep 2017 #1
It's $ that the wife had access to because of her husband's job. That makes it worse. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #2
You're absolutely correct! Any HONORABLE and HONEST person would resign... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #3
This is Bibi we are talking about here. About as honorable as Trump. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #4
Yep... I know. That's why he'll stay. No honor, no honesty, no respectability. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #6
I love that she released a "lie detector" test and that's supposedly proof of her innocence. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #8
Desperate times, desperate measures. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #11
Do you think you're clever? melman Sep 2017 #7
What do you imagine is so "clever" about posting about a current scandal Ninsianna Sep 2017 #23
Does this mean that the chances of Bibi being invited to speak to the republican Congress.... George II Sep 2017 #9
I think the odds go up the more charges are laid. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #16
Then things are definitely LOOKING GOOD to get that invite! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #21
I see what you did there. Iggo Sep 2017 #5
Ditto. George II Sep 2017 #14
I wonder if Benjamin Netanyahu will use the power of his office... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #10
The prosecutor is Orthodox and independently appointed. Bibi had best tread carefully. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #13
He is probably sacrificing his wife for what he is involved in. haveahart Sep 2017 #12
Which wife? I think he's on his third. He's a Trumpian trainwreck. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #19
"Netanyahu has been married three times..." NurseJackie Sep 2017 #20
Bibi has had a very messy personal life. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #38
Affairs, but no children "out of wedlock", I see... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #55
Has Bibi been primaried in past election campaigns? George II Sep 2017 #15
The Likud coalition is not ironproof. We could see 2018 elections. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #17
Personally, I'd like to see Tzipi Livni become PM in a grand coalition Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #39
I wonder if Bibi tried to intervene with the entity being defrauded? George II Sep 2017 #18
I'm gonna say yeah JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #22
+1 nt brer cat Sep 2017 #24
If Bibi Netanyahu claims this isn't an investigation but rather a "security review nothingburger"... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #25
You've used quotes. Who are you quoting? Bibi? VermontKevin Sep 2017 #27
If the security review nothingburger turns out to be just that, then it would be R B Garr Sep 2017 #29
I, for one, hope they hurry up and resolve this, then. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #30
Me, too. They might have to lock her up. R B Garr Sep 2017 #48
Netanyahu lied and said he wasn't under investigation when he knew he was. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #31
Upthread, you used quotes. Who were you quoting? VermontKevin Sep 2017 #34
Say what now? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #36
Post 25. You used quotes. Who were you quoting? 3rd time I've asked. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #40
I used quotations because it was a quote. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #42
Do you have a link to the quote. Looks as bogus as R B Garr Sep 2017 #47
My issue is that this is 4th time I've asked for your source. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #57
Which source? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #58
The source of your quote. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #59
I'm not sure which quote you are talking about. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #60
I think I agree with post 47. VermontKevin Sep 2017 #61
Actually, the Israeli police did no such thing. They are still investigating R B Garr Sep 2017 #37
I think we are in agreement. It was a bald faced lie to deny it was an investigation. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #41
His wife is accused of fraud and hasn't been cleared R B Garr Sep 2017 #43
The authorities called the liar out. You need to go back and read what I said. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #44
The authorities are still investigating the fraud and R B Garr Sep 2017 #46
Yep. Netanyahu is kaput. Right where craven liars belong. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #49
So you agree with the OP. R B Garr Sep 2017 #50
Yeah, they are a couple of grifters that scandal follows everywhere they go. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #53
Yes, they apparently are grifters and hypocites. Fraud is a serious investigation. R B Garr Sep 2017 #54
Reading the header, I wondered if the post tavernier Sep 2017 #26
Ah, perhaps that explains things. A certain sense of alert and hostility about VermontKevin Sep 2017 #28
Huh, thought this was going to be about Jane Sanders. moda253 Sep 2017 #32
Depends on how it's connected to the spouse JI7 Sep 2017 #33
Yes. nt Jamaal510 Sep 2017 #35
It all depends on how firm a rein he holds on power... countryjake Sep 2017 #45
Jan Schakowsky's husband plead guilty to bank fraud in 2006 so no. mucifer Sep 2017 #51
Monica Conyers also MichMan Sep 2017 #52
Monica Conyers is a real piece of work: demmiblue Sep 2017 #62
No Bradical79 Sep 2017 #56

R B Garr

(16,979 posts)
1. Yes, this is definitely a sign of corruption. An actual, tangible sign.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 11:15 AM
Sep 2017

It is not a generalized smear meant for political exploitation to gain an advantage over an opponent to damage him/her. No double standards allowed.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
2. It's $ that the wife had access to because of her husband's job. That makes it worse.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 11:50 AM
Sep 2017

And the investigation was not started by political partisans. Likud would be wise to make post-Bibi plans if they want to hold on to their coalition.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
3. You're absolutely correct! Any HONORABLE and HONEST person would resign...
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 11:55 AM
Sep 2017

... and his supporters and defenders and allies should encourage him so to do.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
8. I love that she released a "lie detector" test and that's supposedly proof of her innocence.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 12:15 PM
Sep 2017

These liars believe their lies.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. Desperate times, desperate measures.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 12:25 PM
Sep 2017
These liars believe their lies.
I suspect there may be a great deal of truth in your observation. Of course, I'm not a psychological expert, but it seems logical to me that once they have been telling a lie for such a long time... it would be easy for them to develop a certain level of cognitive dissonance.

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
23. What do you imagine is so "clever" about posting about a current scandal
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 02:18 PM
Sep 2017

involving Israeli leaders?

Please explain the hostility here.

George II

(67,782 posts)
9. Does this mean that the chances of Bibi being invited to speak to the republican Congress....
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 12:24 PM
Sep 2017

....this year have been increased?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. Then things are definitely LOOKING GOOD to get that invite!
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 01:21 PM
Sep 2017

It appears that the wife is no stranger to controversy...

In January 2010, Yediot Ahronot reported that the Netanyahu family's housekeeper sued Sara Netanyahu in the Labor Courts of Israel for withholding wages, unfair working conditions and verbal abuse.[9] Netanyahu was sued as of March 2014 by another caretaker and former bodyguard to the family over claims that she was abusive towards him.[10]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Netanyahu#Controversy



 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
10. I wonder if Benjamin Netanyahu will use the power of his office...
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 12:24 PM
Sep 2017

to try and insulate his wife from fraud charges?

I already see he's trying to claim the charges are politically motivated.

Just go already Bibi!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
20. "Netanyahu has been married three times..."
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 01:00 PM
Sep 2017

According to his wikipedia page...

Netanyahu has been married three times. Netanyahu's first marriage was to Miriam Weizmann, whom he met in Israel. Weizmann lived near Yonatan Netanyahu's apartment in Jerusalem, where Netanyahu was based during his military service. By the time Netanyahu's service was finished, Weizmann had completed her own military service and a degree in chemistry from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. In 1972, they both left to study in the United States, where she enrolled in Brandeis University, while Netanyahu studied at MIT. They married soon afterward. The couple had one daughter, Noa (born 29 April 1978).

In 1978, while Weizmann was pregnant, Netanyahu met a non-Jewish[268] British student named Fleur Cates at the university library, and began an affair. His marriage ended in divorce soon afterward, when his wife Miriam discovered the affair.[268] In 1981, Netanyahu married Cates, and she converted to Judaism.[269] The couple divorced in 1984.[270]

His third wife, Sara Ben-Artzi, was working as a flight attendant on an El Al flight from New York to Israel when they met.[45][268] She was in the process of completing a master's degree in psychology.[271] The couple married in 1991 and has two sons: Yair, a former soldier in the IDF Spokesperson's Unit,[272] and Avner, a national Bible champion and winner of the National Bible Quiz for Youth in Kiryat Shmona.[273]

In 1993, Netanyahu confessed on live television to having had an affair with Ruth Bar, his public relations adviser, claiming that a political rival had planted a secret video camera that had recorded him in a sexually compromising position with Bar, and that he had been threatened with the release of the tape to the press unless he quit the Likud leadership race. Benjamin and Sara repaired their marriage, and Netanyahu was elected to the leadership of Likud. In 1996, there were media reports of his 20-year friendship with Katherine Price-Mondadori, an Italian-American woman.[268][274] During the 1990s, Netanyahu criticized this media intrusion into his private life, claiming that political rivals including David Levy had hired spies on him in order to try to gather evidence of alleged affairs, although it was noted that the Israeli public are generally not interested in their politician's private lives and would prefer they remained private.[275]

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
55. Affairs, but no children "out of wedlock", I see...
Sat Sep 9, 2017, 11:10 AM
Sep 2017

... and he never divorced someone for not being pretty enough, or someone who was recovering from cancer surgery. So I guess in that regard he's a real stand-up guy.

JustAnotherGen

(31,906 posts)
22. I'm gonna say yeah
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 02:06 PM
Sep 2017

But we are talking Bibi here - one of the most arrogant, belligerent, stuck on himself human beings on the face of the planet.

He'll probably blame it on Obama. Because eh? That's what his type always does. Always.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,343 posts)
25. If Bibi Netanyahu claims this isn't an investigation but rather a "security review nothingburger"...
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 03:01 PM
Sep 2017

.... and it blows up in his face at the worst possible time, then yeah, he should resign. For the good of his own party.

But Netanyahu is a craven liar who has pocketed $100 million dollars in personal wealth. So he won't step aside. He'll most likely drag his own party down with him and cost his party seats. Then he'll blame anyone but himself.

Netanyahu needs to go away.

R B Garr

(16,979 posts)
29. If the security review nothingburger turns out to be just that, then it would be
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 03:06 PM
Sep 2017

correct to call it a damaging political ploy, as we all might surmise. It would be especially damaging if Bibi was holding himself out as a moral authority on corruption, though. That would be even more politically problematic. It would make him look like a liar, as well, and given the money involved, looks like they pocketed money, too.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,343 posts)
31. Netanyahu lied and said he wasn't under investigation when he knew he was.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 04:27 PM
Sep 2017

The Israeli police even had to release a statement saying he lied.

Why did Netanyahu lie? Because he is a craven liar.

R B Garr

(16,979 posts)
37. Actually, the Israeli police did no such thing. They are still investigating
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 06:07 PM
Sep 2017

and considering an indictment. Fraud charges, per the article. That's the hard part about being such a hyper-critic of others. He just looks guilty now that his wife is being accused.

R B Garr

(16,979 posts)
43. His wife is accused of fraud and hasn't been cleared
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 06:28 PM
Sep 2017

as you claim.

You said the Israeli police made a statement that they didn't make. There are still investigations, and they are certainly not nothingburgers as they are ongoing. A nothingburger would mean Bibi was cleared, and it's just starting.

R B Garr

(16,979 posts)
46. The authorities are still investigating the fraud and
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 08:00 PM
Sep 2017

corruption. Looks like it's a game changer career wise.

R B Garr

(16,979 posts)
54. Yes, they apparently are grifters and hypocites. Fraud is a serious investigation.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 10:35 PM
Sep 2017

It is quite a scandal, indeed. Resigning is a good option for Bibi.

tavernier

(12,406 posts)
26. Reading the header, I wondered if the post
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 03:03 PM
Sep 2017

was going to be about Bernie. I thought, "Oh no, here we go again!!" Relieved to see it was something entirely different.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
28. Ah, perhaps that explains things. A certain sense of alert and hostility about
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 03:06 PM
Sep 2017

a breaking scandal that happened today.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
45. It all depends on how firm a rein he holds on power...
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 06:53 PM
Sep 2017

in that government.

When it comes to politicians who've been brought down from their position or even had their aspirations to rise to any seat in a government crushed by their inherent association to spouses supposed questionable or illegal "needs", it often has hinged on how tight a control any official maintains in that government.

There are several rethugs I can think of, here in our country, whose penchant for buddying up to billionaires soley to rake in the sop of baubled and bangled baksheesh that their spouses had a yen for, who came crashing spectacularly down once such graft was discovered and actually investigated. Tho, with crooked political blowhards such as ole Newt, of course he's still around, exerting right-wing power whenever he's given a chance, with his various "think" tanks in a determined and concerted effort to bring down our Party.

Then you can take a look at the sad careers of those who had no sturdy state ropes to latch on to, like Jesse Jackson Jr., who ended up doing time, as did his wife, for their suspected sleight of hand with campaign monies. On the other hand, there's Marjorie Margolies, whose husband also ended up in prison for his fraud but that scandal only temporarily interfered with her own career, once she'd divorced him.

I think it all boils down to political power, when you sit down and study how some politicians have overcome their obvious close ties to liars, cheats, and blatant corruption to then successfully go on with business as usual.

And Netanyahu is one powerful right-winger, so if and when he resigns, I, for one, will be pleasantly surprised. The man belongs in prison.





mucifer

(23,569 posts)
51. Jan Schakowsky's husband plead guilty to bank fraud in 2006 so no.
Fri Sep 8, 2017, 08:50 PM
Sep 2017
Robert Creamer, a top Democratic consultant and the husband of U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), was sentenced Wednesday to 5 months in prison for using bad checks to prop up his struggling consumer group and for a tax charge.

Creamer, founder and former head of Illinois Public Action, also must serve 11 months of home confinement. But he escaped the longer sentence of 30 to 37 months suggested by federal guidelines.


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-04-06/news/0604060259_1_political-consultant-sentenced-robert-creamer

demmiblue

(36,893 posts)
62. Monica Conyers is a real piece of work:
Sat Sep 9, 2017, 09:21 PM
Sep 2017



And I am glad that John Conyers didn't resign... he is an important voice for the people.
 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
56. No
Sat Sep 9, 2017, 11:18 AM
Sep 2017

It's a case by case basis. Some indictments are backed by stronger evidence than others. In politics there are sometimes political shenanigans involved in an investigation. If you know you're guilty too, or know your wife will likely be convicted, it might be a good idea to resign so you can focus on saving your own ass and family.

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