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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 07:56 AM Sep 2017

"Why Every Terrible Person Thinks Theyre A Hero"

http://www.cracked.com/blog/why-every-terrible-person-thinks-theyE28099re-hero/

... or see entire comment sections full of people rooting for a guy who shot a car thief to death. The logic almost makes sense if you squint -- if the victim hadn't resisted (or suddenly moved their hands, or smoked weed, or failed to signal, or illegally crossed the border), they'd still be alive, therefore they have no one to blame but themselves.

That "no one to blame" phrasing is key. It implies that once someone breaks a rule, you can do whatever you want to them and you cannot be blamed.


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... prejudice almost always hides behind a supposed zeal for justice. Internet hate mobs never flood a woman's inbox with death threats without a JWD to justify it. ("She wouldn't be getting these calls in the middle of the night if she hadn't made fun of us on Twitter!" ) And where a crime doesn't exist, we'll extrapolate one. "Of course I thought my family was in mortal danger when that Mexican man approached the car! After all, if a guy will cross the border illegally, he'll rape a woman. He's already proven he doesn't care about the law!"

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But what about all of the good people out there with weird hair, those insecure guys shyly trying to hide bald spots? Or your allies who are unattractive, nervous, and unsuccessful at sex? How are they not supposed to take home the message that personal appearance apparently matters just as much as their moral choices, and that sexual failure is something to be deeply ashamed of? That it doesn't matter if you're one of the good guys if you also have poor grooming and social skills?

Well fuck, now look what's happened. We've not only justified cruelty toward our enemies based on their past sins, but justified cruelty to totally unrelated people.


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You hear experts talk about how extremists get "radicalized" ... All it takes is a closed like-minded social circle in which it's considered unacceptable to disagree with the group, and then devote that group to hating something. It doesn't even matter if the thing truly deserves hating -- it still turns toxic. In fact, it works better if it does. "How can you criticize any flaw in our group's behavior when the other side is Nazis! That's literally saying that both sides are the same! The mere existence of pure evil on the other side mathematically means our side is pure good!"

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At some point, an action will be suggested that you would normally consider immoral. It doesn't have to involve armed mobs or building bombs. Depending on the time, place, and cause, it might be as minor as agreeing to spread a lie. ("I mean, even if they didn't really do it, they probably did something just as bad! It's not like they never lie about us!")

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But I'm personally telling you, as an individual human being, that you need to ask yourself one crucial question: Are you in it for the cause, or are you in it for the fight? There's an easy way to tell: Do you get involved with the boring parts?

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Hell, in the 2016 election that supposedly determined the future of humanity "Did Not Vote" won 44 of 50 states.
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"Why Every Terrible Person Thinks Theyre A Hero" (Original Post) DetlefK Sep 2017 OP
Cracked is great roscoeroscoe Sep 2017 #1
This article Lazy Daisy Sep 2017 #2
The phrase in Politics that I'm reminded of rock Sep 2017 #3
K&R. These paragraphs should be required reading at DU... bullwinkle428 Sep 2017 #4
+1 oasis Sep 2017 #7
Demagoguery has consequences Major Nikon Sep 2017 #5
A very important piece on a very important day IronLionZion Sep 2017 #6
Anybody who was paying attention knows... Wounded Bear Sep 2017 #9
And the cycle continues IronLionZion Sep 2017 #10
It was perhaps said best and simplest bucolic_frolic Sep 2017 #8
Good article. surrealAmerican Sep 2017 #11
I wish everyone on DU could read this ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #12
First thread on DU I ever bookmarked. femmedem Sep 2017 #13

rock

(13,218 posts)
3. The phrase in Politics that I'm reminded of
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 09:41 AM
Sep 2017

Is "measured response". You cannot apply a greater punishment to the violation than is reasonable.

bullwinkle428

(20,630 posts)
4. K&R. These paragraphs should be required reading at DU...
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 10:18 AM
Sep 2017
Donald Trump's entire agenda could be obliterated a little more than a year from now with a new congress, but statistically the vast majority of you won't vote at all (and I'd say the vast majority who show up to anti-Nazi rallies also won't cast a vote). Smacking Nazis with clubs is fun. Voting in midterms is not. Only one results in real change. Hell, in the 2016 election that supposedly determined the future of humanity "Did Not Vote" won 44 of 50 states. Why are some of you willing to put yourself in physical danger at a protest but won't suffer the tedium of real-world policy change? Deep down inside, you know the answer.

"But voting doesn't change anything!" Okay, the outcome of exactly one senate race just prevented Obamacare from being repealed. Twenty million people will have health insurance next year because just a small group of voters -- enough to fit in a stadium -- showed up instead of staying home. You think Hillary would be talking about repealing DACA? "Sometimes violence is the only way!" Are you saying that based on evidence, or because you want it to be true? For every nationalist/authoritarian movement that got turned back by war, literally thousands quietly died due to losing elections or just failing to drum up popular support. How many elections has David Duke won? Goddamnit, you're playing their game. Don't let the devils drag you into Hell.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
5. Demagoguery has consequences
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 10:32 AM
Sep 2017

Trump is a prime example of someone who uses it to great effect. As a society if we don't recognize it and call it out for what it is, we will all fall victim to it. It's the prime tool of despots and tyrants the world over throughout history.

IronLionZion

(45,523 posts)
6. A very important piece on a very important day
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 10:37 AM
Sep 2017

9/11 was used to justify all sorts of atrocities that had nothing to do with the attacks on America that day. And people love to say it changed everything. Because don't you care about safety? Then you're siding with the enemy.

"voted for Hillary" won my state so the rest of you need to step up your game.

Sheet cake for everyone

L'otters know how to do it right

bucolic_frolic

(43,273 posts)
8. It was perhaps said best and simplest
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 10:41 AM
Sep 2017

by famed British actor Sir Michael Caine in the outake interviews for his much under-appreciated move "The Statement" about a Nazi war criminal who is caught late in life and brought to justice.

Said Sir Michael, "No man is a villain to himself."

surrealAmerican

(11,364 posts)
11. Good article.
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 11:25 AM
Sep 2017

At it's core the problem is viewing people as either "good guys" or "bad guys". That works in comic books. In real life - not so much.

femmedem

(8,207 posts)
13. First thread on DU I ever bookmarked.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 07:08 AM
Sep 2017

Thank you for posting this. I'd never heard of David Wong.

This gets to the core of what's splintering this country apart. You see it play out in the comments section of newspapers across the country, on social media, and in the rising specter of indignant, self-righteous hatred.

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