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StevieM

(10,500 posts) Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:40 PM Sep 2017

So is the media going to start rewriting the history of the 2016 debates?

Are we now going to hear about how she struggled in them?

Will her victories in all three debates now be reversed?

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So is the media going to start rewriting the history of the 2016 debates? (Original Post) StevieM Sep 2017 OP

They will say/do anything to avoid DURHAM D Sep 2017 #1

Don't let them get away with it. Stand up to the revisionists here and in the media. SHE WON... Hekate Sep 2017 #2

Is your "sky is falling" lament based on any actual evidence? brooklynite Sep 2017 #3

Trump just tweeted he won the debates. Trump is despicable. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #4

...and how often does "the media" (excluding Fox) repeat Trump's tweets as gospel? brooklynite Sep 2017 #9

Take it easy, brooklynite, I am not looking for a fight here. I was just wondering because there StevieM Sep 2017 #14

The MSM is definitely guilty of doing their best to get 45 elected BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #5

Meh. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #6

Trump won the debates Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2017 #7

Well, the post-debate polling showed that people thought that she won. (eom) StevieM Sep 2017 #11

Oh, I'm sorry. I had no idea EVERY person polled thought she won. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2017 #13

I did. I just wanted to point out that, according to the polls, the vulgar creeps were StevieM Sep 2017 #15

Well you sure didn't need to point that out on account of what I said. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2017 #16

OK. Point taken. StevieM Sep 2017 #17

Isn't there some saying about the winners being the ones who write the history? Doreen Sep 2017 #8

GWB "won" the 2000 and 2004 elections. Is "writing history" why he was so popular? brooklynite Sep 2017 #10

Perhaps, but this is a bit extreme. She obliterated him three times and polls verified that StevieM Sep 2017 #12

Clinton is not a good debater melman Sep 2017 #18

Well, she was seen as a good debater in the immediate aftermath of the debates with Trump. StevieM Sep 2017 #19

Well I certainly didn't prefer her opponent melman Sep 2017 #20

For whatever the reason, the polls indicated that she won all three. StevieM Sep 2017 #21

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)

1. They will say/do anything to avoid

Reply to StevieM (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:45 PM

Sep 2017

taking responsibility for the fact they put Trump in the WH.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)

2. Don't let them get away with it. Stand up to the revisionists here and in the media. SHE WON...

Reply to StevieM (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:46 PM

Sep 2017

Never forget that. Never let them get away with saying she did not.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)

3. Is your "sky is falling" lament based on any actual evidence?

Reply to StevieM (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:23 AM

Sep 2017

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

4. Trump just tweeted he won the debates. Trump is despicable.

Reply to brooklynite (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:24 AM

Sep 2017

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)

9. ...and how often does "the media" (excluding Fox) repeat Trump's tweets as gospel?

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:58 AM

Sep 2017

StevieM

(10,500 posts)

14. Take it easy, brooklynite, I am not looking for a fight here. I was just wondering because there

Reply to brooklynite (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:03 AM

Sep 2017

has been so much rewritten history and absurd analysis already. The official position of most members of the media is that Comey's influence on the outcome is debatable, and in any event, limited.

I can very easily see them start to walk back the understanding that HRC clobbered him in all three debates.

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)

5. The MSM is definitely guilty of doing their best to get 45 elected

Reply to StevieM (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:33 AM

Sep 2017

during his entire campaign and yet he now calls them "fake" and evil. I hold them partially responsible as I do social media. My list in order of why she lost...
Comey, Russia, misogyny, MSM and social media. I said that on Nov 9th and I am sticking with it.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)

6. Meh.

Reply to StevieM (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 01:51 AM

Sep 2017

I was never a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, but no matter what we all need to be resistant to rewriting of history.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)

7. Trump won the debates

Reply to StevieM (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 02:52 AM

Sep 2017

in the eyes of bigoted, misogynistic, vulgar creeps. With anyone not human enough to know that he was disqualified by this:

(That she didn't turn around and kick him in the nads shows her amazing self control.)
Everyone else knows Hillary won.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)

11. Well, the post-debate polling showed that people thought that she won. (eom)

Reply to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:58 AM

Sep 2017

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)

13. Oh, I'm sorry. I had no idea EVERY person polled thought she won.

Reply to StevieM (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:02 AM

Sep 2017

Nope, pretty sure the people I mentioned did not agree. Did you even read my post before you responded?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)

15. I did. I just wanted to point out that, according to the polls, the vulgar creeps were

Reply to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:05 AM

Sep 2017

in the minority.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)

16. Well you sure didn't need to point that out on account of what I said.

Reply to StevieM (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:08 AM

Sep 2017

Pretty sure no one was confused.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)

17. OK. Point taken.

Reply to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:10 AM

Sep 2017

Doreen

(11,686 posts)

8. Isn't there some saying about the winners being the ones who write the history?

Reply to StevieM (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 03:57 AM

Sep 2017

I know the repukes are not the true winners but unfortunately they have the main power for now.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)

10. GWB "won" the 2000 and 2004 elections. Is "writing history" why he was so popular?

Reply to Doreen (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:00 AM

Sep 2017

StevieM

(10,500 posts)

12. Perhaps, but this is a bit extreme. She obliterated him three times and polls verified that

Reply to Doreen (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:00 AM

Sep 2017

the American people saw it that way.

melman

(7,681 posts)

18. Clinton is not a good debater

Reply to StevieM (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:16 AM

Sep 2017

I'm sure I'll be attacked for saying so but it's true.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)

19. Well, she was seen as a good debater in the immediate aftermath of the debates with Trump.

Reply to melman (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:21 AM

Sep 2017

She was seen as a good debater against Barack Obama and John Edwards. She was seen as a good debater against Bernie Sanders. And she was seen as a good debater against Rick Lazio.

At least according to scientific post-debate polling. Other people might have preferred her opponents, but the majority saw her performance as good, or at least competitive.

In any event, we are only talking about Trump here. And people felt that she won the debates.

melman

(7,681 posts)

20. Well I certainly didn't prefer her opponent

Reply to StevieM (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:26 AM

Sep 2017

in the Trump debates but I didn't think she did all that well either. Particularly in the second one.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)

21. For whatever the reason, the polls indicated that she won all three.

Reply to melman (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:34 AM

Sep 2017

And scientific polling also showed her doing well in debates against Bernie Sanders in 2015-16 and a whole field of Democrats in 2007-08, including one-on-one debates with Barack Obama.

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