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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:33 PM Sep 2017

Scottish Court overturns man's conviction for wearing a bra in his own home

A court has overturned a Scottish man’s conviction in court for wearing a bra in his own home. David Wotherspoon, 41, was convicted of breaching the peace for wearing the women’s undergarment within full sight of his neighbors.

Wotherspoon was reportedly spotted rubbing his nipples, in what judges called an “exhibitionist” and “provocative” display. He was spotted by a 48-year-old male neighbor, as well as two women, aged 19 and 22. The behavior is said to have taken place between January and August of 2015.

The Sheriff Appellate Court upheld the sheriff’s decision, arguing that “parading at an open door and in front of the living room window bare chested apart from a visible pink brassiere and on one of those occasions rubbing his nipples…could readily cause alarm in a reasonable person and disturbance in the community.”

He took his case to the Court of Criminal Appeal in Edinburgh, where it was overturned.

“The appellant’s conduct may have been exhibitionist, provocative and even perverse. None of these descriptions render it criminal.” said Lord Carloway, the Lord Justice General, sitting with Lord Drummond Young and Lord Turnbull.

“Although the wearing of clothing more suited to a different gender has been held to constitute a breach of the peace in certain circumstances, the court is unable to hold that a man wearing a bra in his own home amounts to conduct which is either genuinely alarming to any reasonable person, although it may be to some, or that it threatens serious disturbance to the community,” he continued.

“It may, as the witnesses said, cause concern or be regarded as weird or strange, and be classified, as the sheriff described it, as provocative, exhibitionist or even perverse, but that is some distance from conduct meeting the criteria. The appeal is therefore allowed.”

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/09/court-overturns-mans-conviction-wearing-bra-home

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Scottish Court overturns man's conviction for wearing a bra in his own home (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2017 OP
"Would not cause alarm or disturbance" - according to these guys.... jberryhill Sep 2017 #1
HAHA! JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #4
ROFLPIMP! MineralMan Sep 2017 #6
Way to kill a thread with a perfect response on the first reply. grantcart Sep 2017 #19
That's alarming, provocative, exhibitionist, or even perversely humorous. L. Coyote Sep 2017 #23
If wearing "disturbing" clothes at home were a crime, all of my neighbors would be in jail. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #2
"Wotherspoon was reportedly spotted rubbing his nipples" in January? jberryhill Sep 2017 #3
Maybe, but if he should see a doctor about those spots Orrex Sep 2017 #9
Maybe he was trying to... 3catwoman3 Sep 2017 #31
Oh, the things that get people riled up, eh? MineralMan Sep 2017 #5
you stopped staring at a naked women when you were 14, because your mom told you to? snooper2 Sep 2017 #8
I am jberryhill's complete lack of surprise jberryhill Sep 2017 #10
I did. I recognized the lesson she was providing. MineralMan Sep 2017 #12
So you have a good memory, was the lady hot? snooper2 Sep 2017 #13
No. She was not "hot." MineralMan Sep 2017 #14
What was the book? jberryhill Sep 2017 #28
I don't remember, frankly. MineralMan Sep 2017 #29
But you remember what the naked lady looked like jberryhill Sep 2017 #30
I read many books at that age, but saw very few naked women. MineralMan Sep 2017 #32
Good lesson. Some never learn they are in control of what they choose to do. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #21
Yup. I think of that whenever someone raises a ruckus about MineralMan Sep 2017 #22
the lesson i would have taken was next time don't tell mom unblock Sep 2017 #33
Wotherspoon thanks the justices for their support of his support Orrex Sep 2017 #7
Let's be honest, who hasn't done this a time or two Major Nikon Sep 2017 #11
Kramer lost a $100 bet because of it. oasis Sep 2017 #15
I call it "The Bro"! Initech Sep 2017 #17
Is he related to Tobias Funke by any chance? Initech Sep 2017 #16
Next we'll be seeing Scotsmen wearing skirts. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #18
As long as we don't see what they wear under them jberryhill Sep 2017 #20
I had to think about that, and then I laughed so hard I woke the dog! VermontKevin Sep 2017 #25
I support this. fleur-de-lisa Sep 2017 #24
Is the guy a lumberjack? Archae Sep 2017 #26
Yes, and he's ok. n/t reflection Sep 2017 #27
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. "Would not cause alarm or disturbance" - according to these guys....
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:40 PM
Sep 2017


In Scotland, if you are arrested for wearing a pink brassiere, the only way to seek justice is to appeal to the guys in wigs and dresses.

Honestly, people.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
19. Way to kill a thread with a perfect response on the first reply.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 01:13 PM
Sep 2017

we are not worthy of such sublime perfection.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
23. That's alarming, provocative, exhibitionist, or even perversely humorous.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 01:48 PM
Sep 2017

You have to wonder how many of them are wearing a pink bra.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Oh, the things that get people riled up, eh?
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:47 PM
Sep 2017

I remember when I was about 14, my family lived in a house across the street from another house with a big picture window facing our big picture window. One evening, a woman appeared in that neighbor's window, standing there stark naked. Noticing her, I made a comment to my parents about it. My mother simply said, "You needn't stare at her, you know." So, I stopped looking out the window at her and went back to reading the book I had been reading. That's my Mom. She always got right to the point about things.

That never happened again. I suspect my Mom talked to the neighbor and politely expressed her reservations about such behavior. The draperies were drawn after dark on that house after that.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
8. you stopped staring at a naked women when you were 14, because your mom told you to?
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:54 PM
Sep 2017

LOL

That is the exact opposite of what would be considered normal 14 year old male behavior

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
12. I did. I recognized the lesson she was providing.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:56 PM
Sep 2017

In fact, she did not tell me to stop looking, but that I was in control of what I chose to do. I got that.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. No. She was not "hot."
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 01:06 PM
Sep 2017

She was naked, though. I found it interesting, of course, but took my mom's point about my control over my reaction to it.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
29. I don't remember, frankly.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 03:21 PM
Sep 2017

I read constantly during that time, so it could have been any of hundreds.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
30. But you remember what the naked lady looked like
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 03:23 PM
Sep 2017

So which one were you really focused on, ultimately.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
32. I read many books at that age, but saw very few naked women.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 03:34 PM
Sep 2017

So, quite naturally, I would remember them better than which book I was reading at that time. What I remember was that the woman was middle-aged and, so, not particularly "hot," as the question was posed. She was simply a woman who was naked, seen from across the street. It was quite an unusual thing to see, so it does stand out in my memory.

However, what my mother said had far more impact on me. She did not get all bent out of shape, but just advised me that it was my choice whether to stare at the woman or not. I took her point, understood it, and it had an impact on my life that I can identify and describe. I remember many lessons she taught me back then, which was the point of my post. At 93 years of age, she still occasionally has things to say that are worth listening to.

It's interesting that you are so interested in the details, really. I'm sorry I can't remember which book it was. If I did, though, I'd be happy to tell you. I appreciate your close attention to detail.

SunSeeker

(51,572 posts)
21. Good lesson. Some never learn they are in control of what they choose to do.
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 01:39 PM
Sep 2017

If only all 14 year olds acquired that knowledge, instead of going through life a slave to their impulses. Alas, they didn't have the benefit of being raised by your mom.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
22. Yup. I think of that whenever someone raises a ruckus about
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 01:42 PM
Sep 2017

breast-feeding or some other nonsense. I always want to say, "Well, you needn't stare at her..."

unblock

(52,253 posts)
33. the lesson i would have taken was next time don't tell mom
Thu Sep 14, 2017, 03:37 PM
Sep 2017


actually my family was similarly laid back about such things.

easiest way to make it not a big deal is to treat it as not a big deal.
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