Do these people have a clue?

Protesters swarm on Democrats, who already support their cause, rather than on the GOPers, who are the ones who need their minds changed.

I can only presume they do that because with the Dems they at least have a chance of getting their message out for a few minutes and possibly some national air time, whereas the GOPers will have them summarily tossed out the door before they get through one chant.

It's rather cowardly, though, taking the path of least resistance.

always attacking Democrats...without Pres. Obama, the program wouldn't exist. Time for some to figure out what they want...this is disgusting behavior...if they wait for the GOP to help, it would be a cold day in hell.

The GOP mainstream (Ryan, Turtle) support them as does the spectrum of Democrats.

http://www.salon.com/2017/09/05/daca-has-made-sense-to-me-republican-lawmakers-pledge-to-support-daca-over-trump/

will do nothing for them. Without Democrats, they are toast...the our revolution types are involved...they wouldn't care how many were deported if it helps them attack Democrats.

Not the ones working hard to help.

After he passed the dream act to much criticism.

I never understood what point they were trying to make, but am fed up with seeing this sort of thing. The media relishes showing Dems being protested over and over.

this is the best plan of action they're going to be 100x more angry as the loaded onto buses.

And he passed it only after they occupied his campaign field offices for several weeks. I know because my office was one of them that was occupied.

And had to wait for them to convince him which just isn't so. It had long been under consideration and when he finally moved he caught big time hell for it from a lot of different quarters and then protested by them at his rallies.

They made it a similar level of urgency for the Democratic party and the president by taking over offices and refusing to leave until they had a promise that these children will not be arrested for entering the country as undocumented children.


"We are working on it," would not keep these children from being arrested and sent to a country that is foreign to them.

who wanted to help them and were trying to, which Republicans did they target. NONE.

Moves such as this does them no credit and it doesn't help by insisting all 11 mil get green cards or none do...and saying they are being used as bargaining chips by the Dems is nonsense.

You keep saying it's a matter of urgency with them...people on this board get that...but they are also able to see tactics such as this are counterproductive and an all or none proposition as unrealistic.

Detention centers are just that. These children do not belong there and to suggest they have any reason to look at the bigger political picture and not their own dire situation is pretty unrealistic given the consequences. Unless you are on the brink of going to prison for something not of your own fault or volition, you don't have as much say in how they should be defending themselves right now. I don't condone their actions, but I also cannot blame or vilify them for doing everything in their power to stay in this country: the only one they know.

you don't seem to understand that the DEms get their plight. The issue here, on, this thread, are the tactics they use which are viewed as counterproductive. And they have to look at the bigger political picture, for their own sake, to understand the landscape of their plight. What they did today isn't it. You can see on this thread, and elsewhere that this tactic will harm their cause. And if they are being led by Our Revolution then they are being used.

Further, thinking they are in a position to make a deal will get them nowhere. All or none is an unrealistic goal and will surely push the Con agenda to deport them somewhere they don't belong.

Whether it is productive or counterproductive is purely up to them, not us.

I don't like it either, but I'm not in a position of getting forcefully detained and sent somewhere I don't have a clue about.

But we do get to choose if we support those tactics and I suspect there isn't much support for what they did today and they do need all the support they can get. Whoever is leading them is either not very good or has an agenda and is using them.

And the vast majority of Americans. I doubt their protest methods -regardless of how callous some of them might be is going to create much of a shift towards Americans wanting to imprison and deport innocent children.

in matters such as these.

would be better served by having a dialogue in such a small venue.

Hardly.

that she doesn't? Pelosi is fighting for them. She's gettings things done for them.

What I heard on the news just a few minutes ago is that they want more. They want all undocumented immigrants included right now. One said they weren't willing to get green cards while leaving the other 11,000,000 behind.

There will be no amnesty other than perhaps for DREAMERS. If they want to give up their chance on that, have at it.

big on rewarding lawbreakers as many on here are. The Dreamers are different, they didn't have a choice and were brought here as children, I have zero problem with them staying in the only country they know. I also know both sets of my grandparents played by the rules and see no reason other immigrants can't do the same so giving amnesty to all undocumented immigrants is not something I support.

No offense but I swear I saw almost an exact post on Breitbart. Do you post there?

You follow whatever rules are set up for immigrants. You become a DOCUMENTED immigrant. It means not having to hide in the shadows or forcing your children to live in fear of getting arrested and deported.

The only time I post at Breitbart (and I use the same screen name as here) is to mock them for continuing to support a whore mongering degenerate who treats them like a used condom.

US born kids, mortgages, a lot of them own businesses. You can't deport 11 million people, but hey, go vote for that "lefty".

Do you really expect them to go back to where they came from leaving their kids here for 10 years if not a lot longer (if the US born kids are young and can't sponsor parents until they turn 21 if ever)?

They're not taking any jobs from anyone. Dating back to June there were over 6 million jobs available for anyone who wants to work. 6 million unfilled jobs.

I'm sure if your ancestors had to overstay a visa in order to give their kids a better life away from poverty and violence they would've turned down that opportunity to "play by the rules". The immigration system is broken, the rules are not realistic.

the usual arguments for not making people follow the law. Just because it would be cost prohibitive to deport millions doesn't mean they were right in breaking the law and that it should continue to be tolerated. My grandparents already had relatives here which is how they came in LEGALLY. I can't possibly tell you how little it means to me that you don't think I'm lefty enough for the purity police.

Couldn't care less how you vote. It's pretty obvious from the arguments you spout. I do care for the incorrect stuff you and the fox/breitbart/FAIR masses love posting online.

Have a nice day "lefty".

who play by the rules and don't expect to get to the front of the line by breaking the law. That makes me an American citizen and not some third world putz.

you were on Breitbart there righty.

"I'm a 'muhrican. "some third world putz". lol Really?
Having been born and raised in CA, I've known quite a few "third world country" people. More American in almost every way than you are.

The problem with you anti-immigrant tough guys, is that it's pretty obvious your problem with them isn't them getting to the front of the line. It's their skin color.

Ta Ta MFWPS

Are we going to pretend that might doesn't make right in third world countries? That we're supposed to be proud that nobody is above OR below the law in the US. I know it's all the rage for many on the left to pretend the US is the scourge of the planet but it does make it hard to explain why so many people risk their lives to come here every single day when where they came from must be some kind of paradise simply because it's not the US.

Go ahead and pretend it's skin color. Of course, that would mean there are zero brown people who do things legally when it comes to immigration. Is that really the claim you want to argue with me?

I know these are uncomfortable truths for many on the far left but don't even bother trying to shame me - I don't give people who pretend up is down that kind of power.

You couldn't care less how people come to the US. They're all third world "putzes" to you (to quote you). And "cutting to the front of the line" has got to be the most popular BS excuse from anti-immigrants. Lame.

Go head and pretend it's not skin color. And yes, I'm sure compared to you, I must be "far left".

Sorry but I'm afraid I'm gonna have to block you righty. Don't have time for people like you these days. WPOEM

Oh do please LIE some more about me that ALL immigrants are third world putzes. Since I've thoroughly destroyed your ridiculous talking points, your only defense is to block me - how pathetic. My job with you is done.

And he confirms they want all eleven million to have green cards.

Of course I still support a path to citizenship for the dreamers, but I can see that if this type of thing happens many more times, it could become less of a priority. It makes our party look more divided, and more chaotic than it really is.

Pelosi loud and clear. They aren't trying to sway the voting public.

"Oh they are dressed nicely, therefore they couldn't be real Mexicans" and "how dare they speak truth to power!"
I can't fuckinf elieve the shit that's being expressed in this tread.

In a huge amount of languages, there are similar sayings to: "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"

Now they have to hope Pelosi will look beyond their idiotic behavior instead of doing what the natural inpulse is, which is to not help people who act like assholes to you.

That's not a good strategy

heart broken by a group of protesters, don't you? Better tread lightly on that fragile ego of hers or she might change her mind out of spite!!!!!

Jesus, let her know in no uncertain terms what's at stake here.

that. But its a pretty stupid and shitty protest to have to rely on that.

of anti Vietnam reps. It's all about the message, it's about the policy. There is this confusion around here about identity, it's got nothing to do with Pelosi.

This clip will be used over and over again in Retrumplican Congressional and Senate ads, and will be used by the media to show weakness and disarray within the Democratic Party... the only party that actually gives a damn about them.

Call me when they start disrupting Retrumplican events.

It's so damn frustrating, ignorant and short sighted.

The reward we gave to Democrats for advancing a progressive government was to fucking decimate Democrats at the state, local and federal government just in time for the census and redistricting!

It will take a generation to fix that fucking failure.

This demonstration will do nothing but help elect even more Retrumplicans. Unless their goal is to make the country so fucked for 50 years that people will finally throw the cons out of power... this was a miserable failure.

Steve Bannon thanks them for their actions.

This just leaves a sour taste, and there are plenty of other issues that deserve my time and money.

A glass of Chard might help.

You will see.

And I prefer a shot of whiskey.

resistant...seems to me these folks booed the wrong person. Democrats gave them DACA...and the GOP is trying to take it away.

Fucking with Pelosi isn't going to accomplish any goals... Unless the whole objective of this exercise was just to fuck with Pelosi and make her look bad...

and EO the can be cancelled by the next president?

Is there some repug funding going on?

Something doesn't smell right about that.

of what protest is all about.

on NPR this morning. Their beef is that help for the Dreamers will come at the price of a legislative crackdown on non-Dreamer undocumented; Dreamer's parents, grandparents, non-Dreamer siblings, etc.

IMO it's not a good idea to tie those together with DACA.

At least it wouldn't be for me and especially not for very young people.

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blow up DACA all together then everyone would be subject to deportation.

I say get DACA fixed then see what can be done for others.

It's as if their homes are burning down and all they can do is watch while fools sit on the sidelines and judge them for being upset for their losses. Traditional lobbying, white papers, data, are meaningless to an teenager who parents are being deported.

Pelosi is trying to preserve the DACA status that Obama started.

If children can stay but their parents can't, what happens to them?

Most of the dreamers age group now is older teens and young adults, even 30 somethings.

What's on the table, as in Obama's executive order are those in that age group.

Save them if at all possible.

Protests unfortunately are not going to change the status of their parents and we know trump will not draft an EO for them.

We just have to wish them the best and hope they avoid deportation as they've done since they made the decision to come here with their kids.

The reality is extremely harsh.

In our comfortable homes and expensive phones. I've a few conversations that should make anyone who passes judgement on them ashamed.

No judgment should be passed on people borne into a country that doesn't offer opportunities for it's citizens to prosper.

and don't even speak the language of the country they would be dropped into. They have to leave their children behind or take them into a potentially dangerous environment where they will feel horribly insecure. Their anger is righteous and justified.

I really doubt Pelosi's ego is as bruised as some of the posters here. This was not a protest in opposition to the congresswoman herself. They are trying to get her to feel their urgency.

What political power do Democrats have at present? What political power does SHE have? How the hell did she end up in their cross hairs?

This is political suicide, plain and simple.

when it's part of abstract political gaming. As we see in this discussion in the interpretations of how people who are suffering affect politics. And the breakdown of teams.

as a minority leader is getting what she can within current limits, while Dems control nothing. Yes, it will involve "political gaming".

She is not the enemy.

And these protesters don't speak for all Dreamers.

do exactly what they want...you can wait and see them all deported...or you can cut a deal which may not be exactly what we want...those are the choices...go to complain to Stein and those who could have voted and didn't boo them. A crack down will probably come no matter what. Elections have consequences.

True that protest needs to be anywhere in front of anyone, and that Nancy may not be the target, but I think they were chanting "Democrats deporters?"

Before I go further I need to know what they were saying

in their shoes I would also.

We can handle that, Nancy will regroup and deal with it.

Entirely different matter if they are not who they say they are.

I find it counterproductive to protest/disrupt those who are trying to help. And as has been stated why is it only Dems they seem to protest?

But as someone who doesnt have to protest I dont like to judge those who have to, I would rather see them protesting republicans of course.

But I will say truthfully I never understood them protesting PBO when he was one of the few trying to help them

makes me sick to think of the comparison

They do with Democrats

Go protest thuglicans like hideous racists like Steve King of Iowa and other thuglicans like him.

Pelosi is their ally, why protest and shout HER down?

leaves a mixed message as currently being reported in the press. GOP teabaggers like King are all too happy to cast around for excuses to support their racism.

I was too lazy to fix it myself at the time..

Took it to my mechanic I have used forever and waited till he started working. Then I proceeded to tell him to fix it! Fix It Now before I kill the Cow! Fix it NOW before I Kill the COW!

He was done in no time and did a PERFECT job! That is how you "protest" something

And now she is going to work with Trump on it. Good luck with your car or whatever the fuck nonsense you were attempting to describe.

two shits about Dreamers...just hating on Democrats.

with protesting someone trying to help you, if that's what's really happening.

Has it occurred to you that that protest may have been funded by repugs?

point.

It's the polar opposite of Pelosi and the Dreamers.

Hopefully they will not hurt the other Dreamers.

Thanks in advance. You can't just spew conspiracy theories without any evidence for the sole purpose of bashing Bernie Sanders supporters.

Typical. They'd rather go after Democrats instead of the repugs who are trying to deport them.

And it was in KOS...four days ago in the Good News section. They object to the deal to save the Dreamers...acting as if there is a better way...with the Dems out of power...there is no better way...but of course it's our revolution...it makes me sick to see them using these kids. Save the Dreamers and then when we get back in power...comprehensive immigration reform.

So, back during Civil Rights times of the 1960's when there were no Civil Rights, I should have gone and protested against Lyndon Johnson who signed Civil Rights legislation into law in 1964? Makes no sense.

What in the world would I go protest a person whose fighting for me/my family and for us to exist and have a life PERIOD instead of protesting against a racist asshole whose demonizes me and who wants me deported?

And let me get to the point and put it succinctly, protesting your allies and giving those who want to hurt you a pass is not how protesting works.

I am protesting about the danger of health care repeal... but not Sherrod Brown who is on our side...only Portman...if our revolution is involved, it is an attack on Democrats...they don't care who gets hurt.