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sign in my supermarket: 43 million people going hungry in US, including 13 million children (Original Post) niyad Sep 2017 OP
our common sense is bdamomma Sep 2017 #1
to say the very least. niyad Sep 2017 #2
43 million maxsolomon Sep 2017 #3
do you find that percentage acceptable? niyad Sep 2017 #5
I find it hard to believe, frankly. maxsolomon Sep 2017 #7
an epidemic that has much to do with unavailability of nutritious food in the food deserts in niyad Sep 2017 #8
i believe that in the way that link defines it maxsolomon Sep 2017 #11
13% aren't exactly starving to death, but that "hunger" is still killing them - just slower. haele Sep 2017 #23
good points. i still think it's hyperbole. maxsolomon Sep 2017 #24
obesity does not preclude one from being malnourished Heddi Sep 2017 #12
i'm not denying any of that maxsolomon Sep 2017 #14
Oh yeah, some people though think that obese well fed Heddi Sep 2017 #15
well, not air. maxsolomon Sep 2017 #16
we figured it out and one of my patients Heddi Sep 2017 #17
tragic, pointless, unneccessary. maxsolomon Sep 2017 #18
OH yes. And every year my company Heddi Sep 2017 #19
Republicans and their Invisible Hand Fairy Warpy Sep 2017 #4
it is said that humans are hardwired to be compassionate and caring. what in the HELL niyad Sep 2017 #6
The good old USA is thinning out the herd. maveric Sep 2017 #9
NSS niyad Sep 2017 #10
Republicans don't want or care to help. Initech Sep 2017 #13
and have enough humanity to actually care. something is missing in the pukes, that is niyad Sep 2017 #20
They lost their humanity during the Clinton impeachment trial. Initech Sep 2017 #21
possibly as early as nixon niyad Sep 2017 #22

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
7. I find it hard to believe, frankly.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:36 PM
Sep 2017

but I don't know how your supermarket defines "going hungry", versus "starving" or "malnourished". certainly, there aren't people dying from a famine in the US.

after all, we've got a concurrent obesity epidemic.

niyad

(113,343 posts)
8. an epidemic that has much to do with unavailability of nutritious food in the food deserts in
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:41 PM
Sep 2017

this country, of which there are many.

you don't have to believe it. doesn't change the facts

http://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
11. i believe that in the way that link defines it
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 02:51 PM
Sep 2017

it's not saying that 46 million Americans. 13% of the country, are starving to death in a famine. it's says people "go hungry" in that they turn to the Feeding America network for food.

that's tragic and unacceptable, but also a bit misleading and hyperbolic. hyperbole allows the RW to summarily dismiss real problems as Liberal Hysteria. which they have an entire media dedicated to doing this - disputing simple facts.

and yes, I believe there are food deserts, and that cheap carbohydrates contribute to the obesity epidemic.

haele

(12,660 posts)
23. 13% aren't exactly starving to death, but that "hunger" is still killing them - just slower.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 12:17 PM
Sep 2017

These 13% face higher risks with mental and physiological issues that can impact their decision making, physical issues such as immune system and metabolic disorders such as growth/development inhibition in children, difficult pregnancies and birth defects, diabetes, bone and dental issues, increased susceptibility to infections and organ failures, arthritis, allergies, migraines...a whole range of issues that keep them in poverty and significantly lower their ability to be functional in the modern world.

That's 13% potential impact to a community's economic and social stability.

These people aren't "starving to death", but they're not able to effectively improve their lives and grow. They become just as much a long-term burden on the country as if there was an outbreak of a serious pandemic of an encephalitis-like disease that affected the same 13%, leaving survivors effectively disabled or dysfunctional.

It's not hyperbole, unless one thinks that people turning to Feeding America is the same level of significance to society in general as working through your lunch break.
A large number of people in that situation will miss weeks worth of regular meals before they give up their pride and go to a food bank - even if they have kids they will starve themselves to feed.

I know - at one time back in the 1960's, my parents lived off one PB&J and a handful of Cheese and Crackers and Tea for almost three months to ensure my brother and I had three meals a day and they could still pay rent - and they were eligible for food stamps, as well as there being a nearby church food bank they could have anonymously received a box of "day old" produce, a small carton of milk, and donated canned/package food twice a week that would be enough for three meals for a family of four for three days.

But - our financial situation was always just "temporary", and I remember them telling each other they could always wait until they could start having enough of Dad's meager (at the time) pay saved up so they could start buying more groceries again...all while Mom began suffering from excruciating and debilitating migraines that finally went away when they could start eating regularly again.

I vividly remember feeling guilty because I could see what was happening to them. And I'm still always careful about ensuring I have a full pantry, not wasting any food and ensuring I always make enough for leftovers "just in case".

Haele

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
24. good points. i still think it's hyperbole.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 12:46 PM
Sep 2017

the poster implies something different, and you have to read the fine print to understand what it means. what it means is a self-inflicted crisis, one of many in a nation swimming in them.

America runs on bullshit, and bullshit put a monster in the white house. I want precision in speech. I don't want any more bullshit.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
12. obesity does not preclude one from being malnourished
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:38 PM
Sep 2017

in fact, the foods that are often cheap, easy to come by, and easily available to people with limited incomes, limited transportation, low education levels, and who live in food deserts are often lacking in vital nutrients. I'm an RN, Certified Case Manager, Certified Diabetes Educator, and the majority of my patient population, despite living in Philadelphia and Baltimore, pretty much get their food either at corner stores/barios' or take out fast food. What they eat is low in nutrients, devoid of fresh food/fruit/vegetable. What they eat is pre-made or heatable in a microwave. My patients have no way of cooking as they typically live places without full kitchens or even refrigeration. Their foods consist of deep fried carbohydrates with little to no nutritional values. These folks eyes, toes, fingers, feet, and kidneys are the proof in the pudding of a lifetime of poor dietary options, low health literacy and how obesity does not preclude one from being malnourished. When you have two adults in their 80's, with a 5th grade education, each getting less than $40 a month on food stamps, with the associated problems of long standing diabetes, heart disease, a little dementia, a little alzheimers, a little residual from the stroke a few years ago....yeah, try to help these folks make good food choices on $0.75 a meal...on a diabetic, heart-healthy, low sodium, low potassium, low fiber, low protein diet...

I have several patients who weigh over 350lbs who have the metabolic labwork of someone who has been in a refugee camp. High calorie doesn't mean anything. These folks are malnourished, and they have the low protein, low albumin, poor kidney function, poorly healing wounds, low mental function, brain fog, and associated problems to prove it. I see it every day.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
14. i'm not denying any of that
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:50 PM
Sep 2017

just that 13% of America "goes hungry", which is a pretty amorphous term. it implies something different: starvation.

I'd buy that >13% are malnourished.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
15. Oh yeah, some people though think that obese well fed
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:02 PM
Sep 2017

I was one of them until I got into nursing, nutrition and all that jazz

I see these people's labs and it's like omg....you basically eat air, don't you?

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
17. we figured it out and one of my patients
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:29 PM
Sep 2017

has $0.86 to spend per meal

because she's in the donut hole, she can't afford her insulin, meds, so she cuts everything into 1/4ths and only takes insulin every 3rd day. Her family routinely steals her insulin and sells it on the street for drug money (they sell anything that isn't bolted down).

She has to eat:
low fat
low carb
low protein
low salt
low fiber

she has no legs so can't walk
is dependent upon her family to feed her
has maxed out her benefits through meals on wheels and benephilly and Manna.
her family - the ones who aren't drug addicts, have a series of cognitive and developmental delays. The last time they tried cooking they set the kitchen on fire so the other family members removed the oven. So she had a microwave that stopped working. Her fridge doesn't work, either.

Her meals are typically

Breakfast:
Doritos or other chips.
or
A hoagie
or
Someone's left overs

Lunch:
what she didn't eat for breakfast
or
nothing

Dinner:
what she didn't eat for breakfast
or
hoagie
or
a bag of chips
or
a candy bar

we've called APS, but because she has capacity to make decisions on her own, it is not against the law for an elderly lady to eat the equivalent of 2 snack pack bags of chips in 24 hours having kidney failure, heart failure, diabetes, multiple open wounds, and other medical concerns.

she's just one of about 700 patients that have similar (thought not nearly as bad) issues.

Then there's the man with the open wounds, active maggots....

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
19. OH yes. And every year my company
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:38 PM
Sep 2017

(I work for one of the big 4 insurers' medicare advantage) comes to us about prevention! cutting costs...tell me, how to prevent any of this?

Warpy

(111,275 posts)
4. Republicans and their Invisible Hand Fairy
Mon Sep 18, 2017, 02:47 PM
Sep 2017

Meanwhile, saner people are dusting off Keynes and even Marx and realizing Hayek was a conman who couldn't see beyond his own country's major mistakes in the 20s.

niyad

(113,343 posts)
6. it is said that humans are hardwired to be compassionate and caring. what in the HELL
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 12:08 PM
Sep 2017

happened to the pukes???

Initech

(100,080 posts)
13. Republicans don't want or care to help.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:48 PM
Sep 2017

Your thoughts and prayers are enough. Helping people might require them to do, you know, actual work.

niyad

(113,343 posts)
20. and have enough humanity to actually care. something is missing in the pukes, that is
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:51 AM
Sep 2017

for sure.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
21. They lost their humanity during the Clinton impeachment trial.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 12:00 PM
Sep 2017

Actually maybe during Reagan. Haven't been the same since.

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