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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:15 AM Sep 2017

Don't be fooled by the Clinton-Sanders feud, Dems are united

BY MARGIE OMERO, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 09/21/17 11:00 AM EDT THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

Maybe, like me, your personal feed is still filled with Hillary Clinton versus Bernie Sanders squabbles, with hardly any break since spring 2016. Seemingly every story has the potential to cause a flare-up, like the greasy meal before the pimple: news of a Russian company’s Facebook buy, Clinton’s new book, Sanders’s “Medicare for all” plan, and a constant stream of 2020 stories. Even news of Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez teaching a course at Brown caused a Bernie/Clinton fight between my Facebook friends and their friends’ friends.

It’s exhausting. But is it real? That is, are Democratic voters overall — not just paid operatives and the most active of activist — still divided? The polling suggests not. In fact, Democrats are far more united than Republicans.

First, Democrats are overwhelmingly united in their opposition to Trump, while Republicans are more mixed. From his first days in office, Trump’s numbers with Democrats have been abysmal. Gallup notes even recent presidents have not had such low numbers across party lines so early in their first terms. And Trump’s numbers among Democrats have barely budged.

Much was made of this and similar headlines about Sanders/Trump voters, seemingly validating a common pundit theme that Sanders and Trump voters are nearly identical. Yet in the careful analysis of George Washington University Professor John Sides, we learn these voters were more likely motivated by the racial anxiety stirred up by Trump, rather than something unique to the 2016 Democratic primary. Further, there were actually fewer Sanders/Trump voters than there were Clinton/McCain voters in 2008.

Meanwhile, Republicans are more divided on their own party’s leader. Trump’s approval numbers have softened somewhat with his base since he took office. Pew even found a majority of Republicans either “don’t like” or “have mixed feelings” about how Trump has been conducting himself as president.

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http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/351722-are-clinton-and-sanders-dividing-democrats-not-if-you-ask-me

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samnsara

(17,622 posts)
1. i agree.. a small but noisy faction on both sides keep it going but..
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:17 AM
Sep 2017

...from all I have read they are small groups and the Dems are united.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
12. Honestly, why is a bill that can't be passed for years with a super majority important?
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:43 AM
Sep 2017

Maybe it will be in the future...but not now.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
4. I only wish
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:22 AM
Sep 2017

Sen. Sanders had waited a week so his bill wouldn't have coincided with this death bill.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
13. I agree. He should have waited until the first of October when the GOP chances to kill
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:44 AM
Sep 2017

the ACA using reconciliation are over.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
7. I suspect that when the dust settles and people actually vote, Dems will be fairly unified...
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:26 AM
Sep 2017

All the chatter makes for good headlines and copy, but I don't see a lot of real Dems going over to the dark side in the near future.

The reality is that Bernie lost the primary vote. Most of his wins came in caucus states, where a vocal minority can swing the numbers. Actual citizen votes went to Hillary.

I tend to avoid most of the H/B debates as being unproductive, like most on-line discussion. When next year rolls around, I will support Dem candidates and vote accordingly. I suspect most of my liberal colleagues will do likewise.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
8. The Internet tends to magnify loud, extreme voices.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:33 AM
Sep 2017

I guarantee that you will find more intense Sanders vs. Clinton fighting online than in real life. Most Sanders and Clinton supporters have similar views on most issues and all of them are strongly opposed to Trump and the Republicans.

The Democratic Party is actually more ideologically homogeneous now than say ten or twenty years ago when you had many more Blue Dogs and conservative Democrats.

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