Certainly her husband seemed to be when, as a former ambassador to Iraq, he stepped up to call out W's lying excuse for what it was.

Fwiw, though, my husband's Jewish, but I also have no problem with people speaking uncomplimentary truths when they are true. They should. Among the 3% or so of Americans who are Jews, and the tiny percentage of those who might actually affect policy, individually or only collectively, are some militant conservatives as eager to make trouble for others as militant conservatives of any other religion. Like Pence's.

itself can be pretty militant (it may be understandable why, however).

a troublemaker for those "others" the ruling conservatives don't like, inside and outside. Tragically, like the U.S. right now.

I don't see Israel as a nation that has no choice but to persecute internally and warmonger externally because of geographic factors but as a nation unfortunately being run by dangerously incompetent people. When a wave of reaction finally sweeps a majority of decent and competent people into office, Israel will behave more decently and competently and I'll once again be able to support much of what they do. Not until then, there or here.

only antisemitism?

From the article:

"For those American Jews who lack any shred of integrity, the media should be required to label them at the bottom of the television screen whenever they pop up, e.g. Bill Kristol is “Jewish and an outspoken supporter of the state of Israel.” That would be kind-of-like a warning label on a bottle of rat poison..."

I skimmed this piece, zeroed in on the neocon criticism, and shared it without seeing and considering the rest.

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. . . in addition to being a rancid Jew-hater.

Take a look at the article in question. I would submit that it is not, um, plausible that one could "zero in on" the "neocon criticism" and fail to notice the anti-Semitic nature of the piece. The word "Jew" is never far from any discussion of the "neocon" issue. Indeed, the "Jew" issue permeates the entire piece.

Plame is a gutless liar.

It's all in the headline "America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars"


Words which she typed btw, she didn't just link the article. So if she saw that headline and typed those words...nope. Not buying it.

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"Not buying it..."

Of course you're not. Difficult to pass up red-meat when one is hungry.

what else a piece titled "America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars" could be about?

and then try and convince me she's simply stupid and not a Jew hater. This isn't the first time for her to show her ugly side on this issue. Plus, the title of the article was all the evidence a person with a triple digit IQ would need to know what it was all about.

She didn't mess up. She got caught.

I do believe that is how it happened but she is simply too smart. Somehow I think she would also have to be too comfortable with the hate to not notice, even skimming.

her record demands that in the very least

The first paragraph of the article includes: "...we all know it’s American Jews with all their money and power who are supporting every war in the Middle East for Netanyahu"

make excuses, and/or hope the story goes away fast.

I agree with you.

unrelated to the article --

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I have a Venn diagram in mind that shows those folks and their intersection with those willing to give Sean Spicer a break because he was on the Emmys.

"America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars" is impossible to misinterpret as anything other than Jew hatred. It's not her first time either.

But according to my friends in CPT who have served in Hebron, Gaza, and the West Bank, there is a definite segment of America's Jewish population (e.g., Bill Kristol, Shel Adelson) who are heavy duty backers of projecting American military power in the very places we currently occupy with our military. Are they the only drivers? No. But are they a significant factor? I would say yes. That's a simple declaration based on publicly-known facts.

Then the mafia references are thrown all over, well known posters refer to them as"goombas", and when you protest and call it racist you get slapped.

That was the membership of the Italian Mafia at it's peak therefore it's silly to associate the tens of millions of Italians with their actions, just as it's silly to associate all Jews with the actions of an octogenarian casino magnate.

This is the only place they defend everything Muslims do but savagely mock Catholics and the Pope. Apparently it's open season on Jews around here too.

That's why I pointed out Evangelical support for Israel is much deeper than a desire to precipitate the Rapture.

When it comes to most social issues I have no truck with the Evangelicals but that's a different discussion. However I don't need to turn them into cartoons.

But their CPT experience in Ireland is from a long time ago.

Still bigoted though.

Talk to people who are actually on the ground, like my friends in CPT. Because there's a shitload of misinformation propagated by a lot of different sources, each with their own agenda.

If this were first foray in Jew hatred with her tweets, she would deserve the benefit of the doubt. It's not and she deserves nothing but scorn.

Irony- a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result

Plame suggested Jews were the ones bolstering the state of Israel. Of course that is an anti-semitic canard. The irony I pointed to is that the most pro-Israel group in America is not Jews but Evangelicals.

Aren't they?



Disgusting this shit is allowed in here. It has no place

Fundamentalists have in supporting Israel.

I personally am a Liberal lapsed Catholic who supports Israel for actual historic purposes, like WWII.

I am sorry.

Though I would add Christian and secular support for Israel is multifaceted.

I assumed wrongly what you were saying. Please accept my sincere apology.

We are discussing the basis of support for Israel.

If Zionism simply means the Jews should have a homeland in the Middle East most of us are Zionists. In fact there is a street in Tel Aviv named after one of my relatives who was a famous nineteenth century Zionist.

That being said my heart is with the Israeli left just as my heart is with the American left. I hold Netanyahu in the same low regard I hold Trump. They and we deserve better.

for Munich. In fact, often I feel like I don't belong here, as I like Bibi.

You and others have completely read me wrong.

profoundly intolerant Jewish version of white Christian nationalism? Am I missing some liberal goodness in him? He's not a pathetically typical, small-minded right-wing warmonger?

Bibi and Rump sitting in a tree...

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Other than that he is Israel's Trump.

and also Jewish. I don't think bibi has been good for Israel. In order to form his government he had to get into bed with groups that don't even consider me Jewish - I'll never forgive him for that.

One poster said Evangelicals support Israel because they believe it will facilitate Armageddon and then the Rapture. I pointed out that Evangelical support is deeper than that. I would also say that many Christians do feel guilt about the Holocaust, about their role in fostering anti-semitism in general, and do feel a kinship with Jews because all the Prophets were Jewish, all the Disciples were Jewish save Luke, and Christ himself was Jewish.

A lot of Non-Jews took us to war too!

She does not follow who's who much any more. She and Joe moved out to New Mexico for a reason (obscurity) and are more into raising their kids than anything else. She is bright, far brighter than I am, but more than enough "out of it" to be susceptible for a scam like this. She is no more an anti-Semite than Jerry Nadler, a mutual friend.

I put this is the same category as the O'Keefe "gotcha" series. Valerie risked her own skin long enough trying to prevent nuclear proliferation in Muslim countries to have earned her no-way-anti-semite credentials. Anyone who thinks she is, obviously has never met her.

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It's a known alt-right Antisemitic website.

Satisfying one's curiosity is one thing. Tweeting a link to vile propaganda without a disclaimer is either terribly naive, plain stupid or an indicator of who you are and what you believe.

Your choice.

That work against the interests of this country. But it is more the nutbag Christians that tie everything they do or say based on returning to Jerusalem for the sole purpose of being there when their stupid ass Jesus returns. I say stupid ass Jesus because if the Bible is correct their Jesus is not the one in the Bible.