Look at Robertson, Carson, et al.

Yes.

and the prognosis for that is extremely grim. She gave up an extra six months (if she was lucky) and took a chance on having her baby live. I support her choice. I might not have made the same one, but I support her right to choose.

Not my body, not my choice, it was hers.

To me, it's an absolute, this right to make choices about one's own body.

Bigotry against religion is simply another version of religious bigotry, and both are as real and nasty as bigotry against race. Many DUers are religious, and this doesn't belong on GD but in that hole in the religion category that was created for this stuff.

That's what choice is all about.

Pro-choice means you can't fault people who don't choose as you would.

That's like saying your support the right to vote, so that means you can't fault people who vote Republican, because they don't vote as you would.

It's one person, one vote, and you only control your own.

You can hope to persuade the fence sitters. Just realize their vote is their own, also, no matter how dumb or ill informed you might think they are. Remember, you look look like that to them. There will always be people who look at the world and come to different conclusions about it. You can't control that.

You can't control it any more than you can control another adult's choices about his or her own body.

So stop thinking you can or should.

are not in any way synonymous with the word "control". It is dishonest to pretend they mean the same thing, so please stop doing that.

buh bye.

This was a bitter choice—I don’t care who you are, it’s hard to die. She made her choice and her choice should be respected

If you're going to die anyway.

This is the sort of family where a husband might impose this.

evangelical family, and I understand the culture. Some of my close friends are evangelicals. While there may be a few families that strictly follow your idea of what evangelical Christianity is, by far the VAST majority does not. Like any culture, there are nuances and subtexts that outsiders can't understand. While wives are commanded to "submit," husbands are commanded to love their wives "like Christ loved the Church." As I recall, that was considered a much more demanding requirement. Again, not something anyone not raised in that culture can easily understand.

My friends are strong women, who would probably make this same choice because they believe to the very core of their being that an unborn baby is a person.

She had incurable brain cancer.

It is ashamed that her baby died, but that is often what happens when moms are kept alive artificially for a prolonged period. The fetus doesn't get enough O2.

I think the story is sad. To be honest, if it was me, I don't know what I would do. I might do what she did. (I probably wouldn't want to name my baby, Life Lynn..but that's another story) My decision would have been made based on what my doctor told me about how long I could live if I decided to abort the fetus. She had 5 other kids who needed attention.

She had 4 kids and some years passed before she had an unplanned pregnancy. This was pre row v wade but a doctor could decide if the life of the mother was in danger. She got cancer and got permission for an abortion but could not go through with it. I do not know for sur but I would bet she was an atheist.

But she was a loving mom who felt she could not take the life of what would have been her 5th child. I can see her point of view.

is that the news made an issue out of this and turned the woman into a martyr. It is another example of what society expects of women - to be selfless in order to be worthy.

What you are trying to make out of it is quite another. I find your attempts to politicize this woman's agonizing decision in light of her imminent and probably inevitable demise downright...what's the word you used? Oh yeah, creepy.

They are anti-choice.

Most people are able to disagree with the choice that someone makes but still support his/her right to make it for him/herself.

Being critical of a woman's choice is really saying that woman made the wrong choice but in truth, the only person who can decide what is wrong and what is right is the woman herself.

I don't have an issue with people who would say what they would do if they themselves were in that situation.

I tried to explain in a reply above. People who haven't had much exposure to the evangelical culture really can't understand the nuances. A tiny minority of evangelicals may believe what you have written, but they are few and far between, and misunderstand the whole concept.

The evangelical women I know are partners with their husbands, who respect them, their intelligence, and their opinions.

may have lived. a 24 week C-section baby has a very slim chance, even with the best of care.

I hope when they did the C section, she had a chance to see & hold her baby and know at that time she was delivered alive.

plenty of Moms and Dads would give their lives for their children, religious or not.

she had been in a coma for awhile, so she probably never had the opportunity to meet her child.

Very sad situation, and we are in no position to judge her.

People knowing they are dying of cancer will have some perspective we can't judge at all. We are lucky we are not there.

What they chose to do did not break any laws - so live and let live . . . or die. I can't put words in that couples marriage.

A death sentence.

This was her choice.

We all need to stop judging her.

First of all, at the time she made her _choice_, her fetus was healthy, she was not. IIRC, she had a malignant brain tumor--a horrendous diagnosis. Treatment most likely wouldn't have done much, other than given her a few extra very miserable months. On the other hand, if things had gone as she wanted them to, her daughter would have 80 or 90 years in which to enjoy her life.

Second, what if she truly believed that her fetus wasn't just a clump of cells, or a choice? What if she really believed that it was a human person, whose life was no less important than her own?

Third, maybe her _choice_ wasn't based on her religion, but on her own moral beliefs.

She made a choice that you don't agree with. That certainly doesn't make her "psychotic."

is that so-called progressives delight in second-guessing a woman's decision.
This woman had no good options and took the one she obviously felt was best for her.

So those 4 children were not going to have a mother much longer in any event. It was 4 motherless or 5 motherless. She gave the 5th a shot at living.

You might have a point if she would have lived but for having the 5th child. But that was not the fact in her case.

She chose mine despite the fact I had an older sister who would have been left without a mother. We both fortunately made it, but we each had to have blood transfusions (undetected vasa previa and marginal placenta previa, when everything ruptured her placenta tore too).

It wasn't religion for her, it was just her choice. She thought she had a better chance of surviving the blood loss than I did, being that a ruptured vasa previa causes the fetus to bleed out very fast.

I'm also a euthanasia advocate. If a person doesn't want to keep fighting a losing battle with death, that's their body and their choice. Just as the decision about whether or not to continue a pregnancy is their body and their choice.

I understand being worried that this woman was perhaps brainwashed by her beliefs, that perhaps the six pregnancies weren't her choice, or that people will decide that the health of the mother is irrelevant. It also might be that her husband is trying to use "It's God's plan" to cope with the loss of his wife and child and coming across creepier than intended. I don't know.

I suppose she wasn’t aware of the cancer before the pregnancy. I don’t even understand having so many children period. We have too many people here already.